Mig-21 Bison needs to increase the BR to 12.7 or 13

You can analyze all my posts in this topic, I’m not attacking you, I’m contesting your arguments, they are very different things.
I am always referring to your arguments, I did not make any personal attack on you, and if I was interpreted that way, I sincerely apologize, English is not my native language.

That was on my second post, after the first got hidden. I was understandably frustrated for this exact reason. What I was asking was the reason for the first post’s removal, if we are not allowed to post stats then there’s no way of proving anything and everyone can just claim their favorite vehicle is the worst in the game and manipulate the public opinion about these vehicles. Why the moderation team isn’t doing anything about this? There’s so much misinformation being spread here.

I wasn’t offended. Simply stated a fact that posting a laughing cat at someone is considered “making fun of them” and how is it that one get’s away with it and other, way less offensive one get’s taken down within few minutes.

They are just saying being right doesn’t mean people will let go of their false beliefs on the internet.

Reason due to the first post being removed because of the stats is because it can easily lead to “bullying”, mockery and such, as long as it’s not posted in a negative manner. There is pretty much no reason to post his stats in public. If you see a player is bad with a certain vehicle, then ignore him, you aren’t forced to respond.

As for the “quick removal”, as I already have said, we do not have eyes everywhere. A good amount of posts are removed because they were flagged, which you can also do. If you find a post which you deem not fitting, such as being innappropriate, then feel free to flag it (as long as it’s not false flagging ofc)

This will be my last comment about this.

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what dogfight against R-73/R-27??? It only have basic pulse radar which is useless when you fly low.
by the way, how many battle have u done with F-5T? How many match against Bison with F-5T?

Strange. I had no full downtier when I flew Bison and saw none of F-5T too…

+1.0 full uptier plane is always are struggle fight.
If F-5T can beat Bison or 2000C-S4 at all with no problem, then F-5T might become a higher BR.

I think I might can ask this question ‘just to reflect you on mirror only’

by the way, How many battle have u done with Bison? How many match against 29SMT with Bison?

If I feel fight against 29SMT or Su-34 unfair while flying with bison, then do we need to send them directly to 14.0?
The answer is no.

Well, it’s at 12.3 now, and it’s in a really bad position. It basically faces 13.0s on the regularly along with other 12.0 jets. Need more BR decompression.

Since it does regularly fight 29SMTs and Su-34s. I will say that as of current, it isn’t really fair. Espeically not fair to the other 12.0s ethier. The Phantoms feel it the most. Dealing with a plane carrying 4-6 R-73s and then another sporting R-27ERS and multiple R-73s is absolutely ridiculous. I’ve even seen J-11s scampering around at that range.

Having played on the Bison, it becomes clear that it would have more capabilities relative to the 12.0-13.0 if it had options for suspension from 4 R77. It would not humiliate the 11.3-11.7 + with the historical, real nomenclature of suspensions, it would also be better and more correct. To be honest, the aircraft literally suffers from the aim-7 and ER carriers due to the difference in missile speed. The radar, as I noticed, quite often breaks down on dipole reflectors. Raising the BR to 13.0 and adding new missiles will make this aircraft balanced relative to its real capabilities. It would not be imba, but would simply give the opportunity to realize good flight characteristics well. It is clear that it would not be better than the MiG-29, but it would not be worse either, because it could realize 4 R77 from an altitude with a good radar and with the ability to receive sufficient information from the radiation warning station about what is happening in the sky and about enemies. The bison can really be compared to the kfir c.10 (a cool radar and 4 derby as an enticing melody) and the ja37di f21 (not a very good radar and a disgusting rws). Old airframes with new capabilities for weapons, radars and rws. It is more correct to compare the mig with the kfir due to the similarity in gaming capabilities. It’s a pity that many are afraid to try to scare 13.0-14.0 p77. It would be cool, although let the p77 not be the best missiles. Imagine the face of the pilot on the su-27/30/33 or mig-29 shot down by a mig-21) Also, a question, how can I try to give the opportunity to change the br? Should I create a topic in the developer suggestions (there and/or a poll)? I even found a photo confirming the bison’s ability to carry p77 on the far and near pylons. Unfortunately, there is no confirmation of the ability to carry ER missiles.

If we got this, the 21bison would be rising in BR along with the flanker.

Why would I want to carry 4 R77s, the ideal loadout for the Bison is the 2 R-27s and 2 R73Es, limiting yourself to just radar missles, or just short range heat seeking missles is a bad idea. And if the IR versions of the R-27 were actually good, then more people would probably use it.

I really don’t think it needs more powerful missles at the moment to get pushed into top tier slop. It only has so many countermeasures, and 60 won’t be enough to even last in the top tier envrionement. What would offset that is if got the electronic warfare it’s supposed to have. But y’know, if that isn’t going to happen, giving it R-77s and pushing it up to like 13.3 or something- won’t do it any justice. Outdated airframe, only can carry 4 missles. Only limited to x60 countermeasures. 12.3 is just fine for it as it stands.

Not sure why the bison would go up in br with only R-27R1s Mig airframe isn’t nothing to boast about, and only having x60 countermeasures. You’re just asking for it to get stomped. Once those 4 missles are gone, you’re about as useful as… I can’t even think of anything to compare it too.

Because its a lot better than the 11.7-12.0s. There is extreme compression between 12.0 and 12.3.

Decompression isn’t asking for something to be stomped btw. It’s asking for balance.

Well, at that br. It really comes down to SARH missles

And it’s 12.3. Again, most 12.0s to 12.7s face 13.0s on the regular.

If that wasn’t the case, the Bison is still competeing with Aim7fs, Aim7ms Aim7ps, and so on.

Unless you’re suggesting it’s br goes up if there was decompressions since there’s more room to scale out certain aircraft.

And if that is the case, what br would you be thinking of?

No, F-5T pops 2 countermeasures each time. So there are only 12 pops if you combine chaff & flares, and the last pop can be almost useless (only contains 1 chaff or flare ).