MICA-EM should get its IRL range

[Cpt_Bel_V]

reason why you all dies from MICA-EM,… go read again

80km launch:

55km HIT for the AIM-120C5
Hitting the aircraft outside the 50km launch range of the MICA-EM

60km launch:

AIM-120C5 hit at 42 km away
MICA-EM hit at 40km away 7 seconds later than AIM-120C5

That’s why Rafale would be on Defensive Maneuvers, and then giving you the edge over him.

the Range from which you’re unable to get hit from a MICA-EM is 66.5km.
so while the Rafale is trying to close up that distance, you have chances to kill before any launch.

(in graphs: launch speed is 1200km/h, and ennemy closes in at the same speed)

[SFmerc]

I start to believe you dont even play top tier jets and just look missile charts on paper…
no offence , but that is such a bs trying to tell that we should stay on 60km away and shoot mica carriers from those distances, and only thing what you are hitting is people doing kamikaze runs on F15E’s if you take shots those long. Or Ai planes

[Beeschurger]

@Cpt_Bel_V

AIM-120C5 hit at 42 km away

If C5 manages to land a hit with 42km launch, the defending plane was sleeping or played by literal snail.

Even your graphs show that it takes 53.7 secs for C5 to land a hit with 60km launch.

Do you realize how long is 53.7 seconds in terms of air battles?

also you conveniently leave out the unique MICA seeker when comparing it to R-77-1. Why is that?

[Cpt_Bel_V]

start to believe what you want i’ve 3 nations at 13.7 BR right now.

and i used AIM-120A/B and MICA-EM already.

[Lolman345]

@Cpt_Bel_V

long range: AIM-120’s have similar abilities (the MICA-EM drop at 35G on 1st pull at long-range, while the AIM-120 keeps similar 35G at same range of MICA - while going further away)

So in my mind, both AIM-120C5 (due to having 120km launch range [70km advantage reminder]) and R-77-1 (Short range G abilities, extended range + TVC) are better than MICA-EM.

Lol no, the 120s have a prop mult governor at range but that is it, both missiles will hard pull at range if you try to force such as the 120s prop mult govenor is gone 10 seconds before impact. (25 seconds for 80%)

That and launch range is comically irrelevant as nobody in their right mind should be using anything short of a Fakour 90 on a target beyond 40 nmi, heck, good luck finding a map where a 120km shot is even possible.

@Beeschurger

If C5 manages to land a hit with 42km launch, the defending plane was sleeping or played by literal snail.

Even your graphs show that it takes 53.7 secs for C5 to land a hit with 60km launch.

Do you realize how long is 53.7 seconds in terms of air battles?

[Morvran]

Needs nerfing first

[Cpt_Bel_V]

oh, you want same graphs with R-77-1? no problems:

here’s 60km launch

R-77-1 = 51.3s // 42.7km
AIM120C5 = 53.7s // 42.1km
MICA-EM = 60s // 40km

and 80km launch:

R-77-1 = 73.5s // 55.5km
AIM120C5 = 75.6 // 54.7km
MICA-EM = NO HIT

@Beeschurger

If C5 manages to land a hit with 42km launch, the defending plane was sleeping or played by literal snail.

Even your graphs show that it takes 53.7 secs for C5 to land a hit with 60km launch.

Do you realize how long is 53.7 seconds in terms of air battles?

here:

@Cpt_Bel_V

you also have the same or more amount of missile, in a 1vs1:
you can shoort first, make me defensive - reducing my abilities to launch at max range due to notching 1st and maybe 2nd missile,… then i can finally drop 1 towards you as you launch your third
i’ll be slow, low, my missile would fight gravity when yours have it’s advantage.

you’re just all so bad that you wants to shoot only missile to kill 1 aircrafts, but BVR is about gainning advantages and not necessarly to kill.

If you all played the mind game, Rafale and MICA-EM would be decimated before it could harm your mighty USA/Russian aircrafts.
It’s coming into the best kill zone of MICA-EM that is troubling you alls

[SFmerc]

@Cpt_Bel_V

If you all played the mind game, Rafale and MICA-EM would be decimated before it could harm your mighty USA/Russian aircrafts.
It’s coming into the best kill zone of MICA-EM that is troubling you alls

Unfortunately we play war thunder, not mind games.
Sure, lets buff first aim 120, 77-1 , etc long range fox3 seekers even near micas seeker and we might get a shots landing on target in those 40km+ shots :D

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@Cpt_Bel_V

you also have the same or more amount of missile, in a 1vs1:
you can shoort first, make me defensive - -reducing my abilities to launch at max range due to notching 1st and maybe 2nd missile,…- then i can finally drop 1 towards you as you launch your third
i’ll be -slow, low, my missile would fight gravity when yours have it’s advantage.-

you’re just all so bad that you wants to shoot only missile to kill 1 aircrafts, but BVR is about gainning advantages and not necessarly to kill.

read again,… you seems to have forgotten the best part of it

(but you’re right,… let’s keep shooting when people can engage us too,… that’s what War thunder is about, bunch of school kids having zombie like gameplay,…)

[Farlexgamer_psn]

R77-1 doesnt have thrust vectoring

[Beeschurger]

still not adressing the unique seeker of MICA?

anyway

there are quite some mental gymnastics you use to justify your assumption that MICAs are bad, when in reality all MICA slingers have much higher K/D and K/S than their contemporaries.

@Cpt_Bel_V

in a 1vs1:

to my knowledge, outside tournaments, no game is 1v1.

@Cpt_Bel_V

you can shoort first, make me defensive

at 60km range, you have a whole minute to defend.

@Cpt_Bel_V

reducing my abilities to launch at max range due to notching 1st and maybe 2nd missile

If you are already notching one missile, no one is gonna bother with launching second one that will get notched all the same.

@Cpt_Bel_V

then i can finally drop 1 towards you as you launch your third

if only Rafale had HOBS ARH missile that would allow it to counterattack the attacker without leaving the safety of notch for too long.

@Cpt_Bel_V

If you all played the mind game

im not schizophrenic enough to play mind games on top of warthunder.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@Beeschurger

if only Rafale had HOBS ARH missile that would allow it to counterattack the attacker without leaving the safety of notch for too long.

doing HOBS reduces by 33-50% range and G’s

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@Beeschurger

there are quite some mental gymnastics you use to justify your assumption that MICAs are bad, when in reality all MICA slingers have much higher K/D and K/S than their contemporaries.

Oh being a zombie doesn’t give better skill? that’s a first

[Beeschurger]

@Cpt_Bel_V

doing HOBS reduces by 33-50% range and G’s

you presented a scenario that you will be launching first MICA by the time your attacker launches his third.

By that time, range is gonna hardly matter.

[Beeschurger]

@Cpt_Bel_V

Oh being a zombie doesn’t give better skill? that’s a first

[Cpt_Bel_V]

so, you’re 1st launch is 80, your second is 60km, and 3rd is 40km,…

Do the math, i’m nowhere near a HOBS Launch, with altitude disadvantages.

so i’m necessarly pointing at you at 40km to launch a defensive MICA, which i’ll have to certainly disrupt the lock to defend your 3rd missile.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

sure, call it me hating on zombies,…

[Morvran]

Of course HOBS has a downside. But the option to be able to fire at something in HOBS is better than not. I’d kill to have HOBS in either IR or ARH on the EFT. We have neither the Rafale has both

[SFmerc]

[quote=“Cpt_Bel_V, post:56, topic:260767, full:true”]
so, you’re 1st launch is 80, your second is 60km, and 3rd is 40km,…

No idea to make 80Km or 60Km, first is max in 40km just to make it defence, and no idea to launch second, since it is going on same notching as first.

• Those 60km shots are just waste of missile, especially when launched allready low flying jet, no matter is it rafale, f16, ef etc

Do the math, i’m no where near a HOBS Launch, with altitude disadvantages.
And after that 1st missile is notched we are quite near micas range.

2nd missile launched and you are notching and can launch mica before it is notched.

And in this scenario , you are not including other “long” range fox 3’s what we are supposed to notch also what have been launched against us…

[Cpt_Bel_V]

then be a good boy,… launch accompagny missile like 20km, and turn 180° - You’re all faster than Rafale and have more long-range missiles, with still good Pk rates.

i mean,… you’re all crying because of the short range MICA capabilities, and you all are forgetting that your forces are at longer ranges.

i see everyday, people with AIM-120’s and 9M’s dieing because their continously closing on target.

a difficulty is to be overcome one way or another,… you’re saying that we can notch AIM-120C or R-77-1 , butyou can do the same with MICA’s,… they’re not invicible missiles,…

for real,… that’s a no brainner - each missiles have differents perks, but you all plays like you have MICA’s.