Isn’t this the problem for all Fox 3 Missile? I mean MICA EM still have so many drag which make it ahistorical.
I see, then AIM-120 too need to be buffed and this will make MICA buff more justified.
That’s why I agree with OP that MICAs should really be the first ARH to get fixed —if there’s any priority to it—, followed by a reversal on several artificial nerfs on drag and AOA to other ARH missiles.
I honestly prefer that path over getting a new flock of missiles.
Yeah, thanks for the correction, that will make MICA buff more justified, since I thought only MICA get artificial nerf.
So the f15 was too strong because it has 8 ARH, but 50% more on another airframe totally fine.
Typical gaijin moment and I can’t wait for all the hypocrites to explain away how this is actually “fair and balanced.”
Not that I give too much of a crap because I’m not good at air, but I sure love watching people spin up some BS.
Most missiles like the mica, aam-4, derby etc are purposely misrepresented in order to balance them against the early aim-120 and r-77.
Now if russia can have the best missile in one, if not the best platform with the most missile count while other nations have nerfed missiles or in the case of aim-120a/b which are much older missiles, there is a clear unbalance.
And they still didn’t fix the ef2000 radar and rafale bugs, and the IRST switching problem. That is really outrageous.
I’m quite curious how this will turn out.
New R-77-1 mounted in large numbers on a new probably quite maneuverable airframe with ability to turn off the AOA limiter and PESA radar ?
What could possibly go wrong…
Then give AMRAAM users AIM-120C for the end of the line jets.
MICA can pull crazy 270° turns to hit targets at ridiculous angles with the 50G thrust vectoring…
The ONE advantage AIM-120 is suppossed to have is range- now it could not even have that? And with R-77-1 coming too, on top of that…
So yeah. Give AIM-120C, and fine by me.
But I can’t see why AMRAAM users must be capped to 120As while everyone gets crazy 50G missiles and now ALSO with range.
Mica should be the least of your worry now…
And i remind you that the point of this game is not to do accurate battle, but to put ~ equal vehicles against each other.
120C-5 is still probably not needed. Correct 120A/B or C-(1 to 4, which improves maneuvering with stronger actuators and slightly more range due to less drag) is probably competitive enough.
Fine by me!
To be fair, that’s a completely separate topic. If you wish to make another topic dealing with that request, I’m happy to support it by liking the topic and giving you a vote, but it’s different than this topic.
Do that mean the mica em will be able to archive 80km instead of 50km?
I support any MICA buff, but does anyone fire these things past 30km at most? What’s the gameplay difference?
I couldn’t tell you how much more range it would get, only that it would get more range if it happened to get corrected.
Currently MICAs are not really viable for BVRs in its current state compared to AIM-120A or R-77-1. But even if you don’t really do BVR, having the MICAs range corrected would mean that it would have more energy to continue pulling in a close range situation as well.
It’s time for a developer response to this MICA report.
@k_stepanovich Sorry to call you out, but I think you deserve to be part of this discussion.
By the way, it should be noted that with the new dev server, the MICA EM is now going to be the shortest ranged fox-3s at the BR of 14.0
Yeah, because R-Darter at least is a 13.7 Missile, not 14.0 Missile.
Calling the best aircraft in-game “outdated” before the patch has even dropped is jumping the gun pretty aggressively.
I do agree the 12x R-77-1 with a PESA radar seems somewhat excessive, but the Rafale and MICA are far from the primary victims of this likely change in meta. Waiting for the patch to see how the meta evolves would be much more reasonable a response.
There’s also the point of the Rafale being significantly better at both climbing and accelerating compared to the Su-30SM, which allows it to have significantly more kinetic energy to impart to the missile at launch compared to the Su-30SM, as are most/all top tier jets in-game. When considering that fact its likely the R-77-1 will not provide range overmatch anywhere as significant as Dark_Claws chart would indicate, instead likely offering something more along the lines of parity.
Case in point, these are the times to speed of most of the major top tier jets at 10km alt starting from roughly M1.0 and accelerating up to M1.5.
And of note, I put all aircrafts internal fuel at 50% barring the Rafale and EFT, which I set to 75%, partially to give the other aircrafts a bit of a chance, partially to make it actually look worse for the Rafale than it likely would be, just to give you guys the benefit of the doubt, and partially due to the fact that the EFT/Rafale have better fuel economy.
In the above scenario, the Rafale is reaching M1.5 around the time the Su-30SM is reaching M1.34 (ignoring the fact the Rafale will be getting to altitude much quicker in the first place). So lets simulate shots with such parameters:
As can be seen above, the MICA vs R-77-1 impact parameters are significantly closer under such comparison.
If you are unhappy with some of the params I used, feel free to provide me some new ones (fuel loads, launch speeds, launch altitudes, etc… statshark cant do time to alt).
Keep in mind before y’all dogpile me over this, I’m not claiming the MICA isnt worse than the R-77-1, the R-77-1 is likely to be the new best missile in-game, I’m just trying to point out that the Su-30SM airframe is looking to be rather substantially inferior to its competitors, and as such the 77-1 may not be as unbalanced as it might seem off the bat.
PS: kinda flubbed the AIM-120B shot, as the EFT/F-15E have a superior time to speed than the Rafale and would therefore have comparatively superior launch velocities as well, but figured I’ll still include the AIM-120B shot in there for anyone’s curiosity).
I do believe the mica should get the 80km range because of a simple fact, you won’t be able to respond to anyone shooting at you with fox 3.
Yes at 5-15km the mica em is the best because of tvc making it deadly but a skill player won’t enter the range, getting shot at by everything but never having a chance to hit anyone pass a certain distance is pretty meh… The rafale might just fall off the meta just because of that, also without mentioning two aircrafts are coming into the game with 12 and 14 missiles, 10 amraam and 12 r77-1 compare to the rafale 8 mica. It means after shooting all your mica’s the enemy will have 4-6 more missiles to shoot at you, that’s why we need it to be more deadly… If the mica happens to be buff, we trust you on your changes.