then it ASRAAM block 6
You’re joking, right?
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I’d like to point out Russia has been given, this update, an aircraft which has
- the best radar at toptier (that scan rate is absurd btw)
- some of the best performance at toptier, including impossibly good TVC performance and intakes that appear to function off of magic, allowing literal backwards flight
- 12 BVR missiles, which while not the best in the game are very much competitive.
- 2 WVR missiles, which while not perfect are very much competitive
and the intention here is what, to give them WVR missiles which are also nigh on unflareable while you’re at it?
9X shouldn’t be added. ASRAAM shouldn’t be added. IRIS-T shouldnt be added, and the russians will live just fine with their R-73s for a while. I don’t know how this is even a debate.
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what? i just point out the equivalent of other nation if Russian need it why isn’t nation also can’t have it as well?
None of those missiles are even remotely equivalent to anything Russia can offer. The problem being after the collapse of the USSR technological development with Russian rocketry hugely stagnated.
They have no real “equivalent” to AIM-120C, 9X, IRIS, etc etc etc.
They have no comparable weapons to more advanced missiles (e.g 9X bl2., 120D, METEOR, ASRAAM bl.6)
As to how gaijin will (if they even choose to) implement these weapons? beyond me, but once one country falls behind balancing becomes hellish to achieve.
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I found the post i was reffering to (I agree with most of its points as the airframe is holding its missile back, so i think the R77-1 is probably going to be fine, but tbf i havent faced it yet) MICA-EM missile should get increased range in the face of 12x R-77-1 - #29 by MythicPi
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They aren’t
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They’re the most advanced variants in mass production, but not the most advanced variants by technicality.
Oh no, not an incoming list!
Where was this with the F-15E? Historical accuracy my ass.
Welcome to the world of electronic scanned arrays… Probably should have made something competitive in '97. I know slumming it with MSAs feels like trash, but don’t worry, maybe you can wait for AESA just as America had to sit past the generational gap in radar technology for a little over a decade.
If it makes you feely any better, you can have the AN/APG-68v9 that came out 8 years later.
Damn, welcome to the world of Subject To Change. Almost like advanced systems are advanced and quite hard to implement.
One again, sorry that you happen to enjoy one of the many countries who refused to incorporate TVC.
Competitive to… 12 better missiles? What kind of argument is that?
You’re joking, right?
Such as the AIM-9M-9…? Are you lost in this topic?
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The ASRAAM block 6 is nowhere near equivalent to the R-74M.
Hell, it predated the original ASRAAM by close to a decade, let alone the Block 6.
You either need to be delusional or unequivocally ignorant to think they’re equals.
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R-74M has been in mass production for a little over a decade, R-77-1 is indeed in mass production with 77M very recently hitting limited production.
Wow i’m sorry for not talking about every single aircraft ever added on the forum
That’s brilliant but I wasn’t talking about IRL performance, but instead balance.
Apology accepted.
What other aircraft has 12(+2) missiles exactly? Not quite kept up to date considering it’s zero.
If you’d like to explain how the R-73 is unuseable in the face of other threats be my guest, but tone down the passive aggressiveness while you’re at it ;)
9M-9 isn’t nigh on unflareable, it’s a 9M with improved front aspect flare resistance.
Keyword: improved. It won’t be much harder than flaring a rear aspect 9M (not all too difficult).
Also quick footnote, you’re very fast to assume i play america lol
R-74M I concede
Never said R-77-1 wasn’t in mass production
77M is limited production, not mass production as you literally just said.
Talking Balance? In that case we’d have AESA F-15Cs and F-15Es, seeing as this is their equal.
Do you honestly think every single update will add 2 perfectly symmetrical and well-rounded aircraft with no upsides over each other?
Flare resistance miles behind the 9M, Magic (*if they buff it to how it should be, seeing as the argument for leaving it as a gatewidth irccm is that the R-73 wouldn’t keep up), and would match the likes of the Mica-IR and later Pythons.
I’m good, thank you though.
Ah, misread.
10 better BVRAAMS > 12 worse BVRAAMS.
I never said it was… and that’s exactly what the R-74M is??
I’m not? I never once said anything about you playing America.
While there is a technological gap here,
This is a lie. 73M service entry is 1997, to the ASRAAM’s 1998. That is a one year gap. You are an order of magnitude out. the IS-90 seeker used in the 74M is a further decade ahead, first being shown publically (to my knowledge) in 2006.
No but I expect people to have the sense to understand that an already superior aircraft doesn’t need further improvements.
The flare resistance is inferior in places, and superior in places. To directly compare it as one worse than the other is incorrect. the R-73 is far superior within roooughly 2km, while the 9M is superior outside this distance.
The hornet is another topic and is equally capable, instead trading airframe and radar performance for armament.
R-74M is a dual band seeker with ± 60 degree off boresight. This would put it closer to the performance of existing dual band missiles in game, which utilise a mix of both IRCCM methods present to “simulate” this performance. If you believe dodging a 50G stinger is reasonable be my guest.
Not directly I suppose, but you were thinking precisely that.
Service dates are beyond irrelevant. In that case the 74M spent 20+ years in development.
It’s a comparison of 1986 to 1992. The 74M was even denied contract once it was completed before your state service date for the ASRAAM.
Do you see why service dates are generally disregarded?
This has to be a joke…
I’M an order of magnitude out?? You can’t even name the correct seeker than the R-74M uses…
Hence why I’m lining out equivalent improvements for other major nations…
There are very few things superior about it. Its engine power is hilariously bad, the TVC implementation is rocky as of now and grants it beyond too much maneuverability, and right now America and Britain are still slumming it with missiles from 1980.
Hence why I’ve named an equal AIM-9M variant that vastly improves short-range performance while giving an R-74M that improves longer range performance.
I do? The Stinger uses a botched tracking suspension seeker that it shouldn’t have and has a hilariously stiff turn radius. It’s even better than it should be given the fact that it outright ignores ircms when dual band shouldn’t.
I wasn’t. I was thinking that the aircraft made in an arms race against america would best be compared to American aircraft.
If you felt the need to make it personal, take a seat and come back in an hour.
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Then why did you mention it “predating” the ASRAAM?
Enlighten me. Quite certain K-74M uses Impuls-90.
Or… just fix the things we have instead of immediately asking for new kit? We don’t need 73Ms in game just as we don’t need any of the other suggested equipment improvements right now. We’re already at a multiple-decade technological overstep with gaijin playing catchup on aircraft tech.
Or just… don’t fix what isn’t broken? I’m not seeing the issue with the existing 9M vs 73 dynamic.
That’s brilliant! You’re getting it. Gaijin’s implementation means it will act in the exact same way lol.
A multirole conversion of an interceptor isn’t exactly something that can be treated as being in an “arms race against american fighters” but okay I guess.
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Could get one of the late AIM-9M models with increased overload
Uhhhh. Can we see the uhhh AIM-9X and the uhhh AIM-120D and uhh maybe the AIM-174B oh yeah and don’t forget about the F-22. Just add the NGAD all together. Let gaijin make it themselves.☝️🤓
No. Of course not. The SU-30SM will probably dominate in WVR and BVR or maybe at least be as good as the F-15E in BVR if not better because of the PESA