they are not in a vacuum tho? We can compare them to Russian winrated pre update, we can compare the MI28NMs performance to pre update and get plenty of useful context.
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It can when guide missile with TELAR (not TADS) radar. Not always, but with a pretty good chance. Especially helicopters.
While the Mi-28NM is the strongest helicopter in the game, it does not make sense why the Russian lineup is doing so well on its own.
As we can see here, you can notice a few anomalies that prove this isn’t simply a “Russia Overpowered” situation. As you can see, Japan and Italy are maintaining extremely competitive numbers compared to everyone else, outside of Russia. While the Type 10 is a good vehicle in its niche, it isn’t better than a Leopard or Abrams in average circumstances. The Ariete is also objectively the worst MBT at top tier as well.
What’s more likely occuring is that the Sweats are migrating to Russia simply because it has the new shiny “super weapon”, which artificially raises its win rate regardless of true performance. Games are not won in the air, and Russia is severely lacking in competitive tanks. If the Russian Ground players can’t perform exceedingly well on the ground, it doesn’t matter how well they perform in the air. An Su-30 and Mi-28NM aren’t going to be capturing points. The T-80BVM and T-90M are decent vehicles that work, but they aren’t good enough to have a win rate like that, while the Leopard 2A7V, Typhoon, and IRIS-T have a 43% winrate.
Statistics can lie if you don’t dig into them a bit. A high win rate doesn’t necessarily mean being overpowered 100% of the time. Other factors are important.
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The reason is that they end up in combat on Russia’s side more often than other nations.
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Is there some presets in grb? Or like where does one seen how often certain nations get paired with russia?
yes thats the minor nation bonus which is why no one is comparing russia with a minor but instead with Germany and the US simply due to the big difference in playercount alone.
Well if you dig into them then you see that coincidentally russias rise in WR coincides with the release of the LMUR on the MI28NM and coincidentally the MI28NM has the highest KD/KS of all top tier vehicles and coincidentally also the second highest WR after the Rafale. Thats a lot of coincidences for sure.
well you see i actually did numbers about that and sadly we dont have exact playercounts for october so lets compare the T80BVM with 2.000.000 games in september and 2.130.000 in October. To facilitate the jump from 50.4% wr to 56.7% those additional 130.000 games would need to have a winrate of 153%. Kinda hard to do. If we assume a 100% winrate, because these new players are so great then the rest would still need an average increase 3.49% to arrive at the new winrate.
But taking games from one tank is obviously flawed so lets do august to september (with one week of post update) where we have player counts 110000 in august and 123000 in september. Those additional 13000 players would need a 109% winrate to make the jump from 43.4 to 50.4 or if they are all at 100% winrate then the rest would need to move up by 1.1%.
So yeah as nice as the tale of the winrate swinging sweats is, its much more likely that the new statistically super well performing and unequivocally hated Helicopter might have bigger impact.
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I mostly play against Germany and Russia, yet they have 43% winrate.
Something doesn’t add up.
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It’s not the “Minor Nations Bonus”. France and Israel are performing exceptionally poorly. Russia is dominating the US and Germany simply because the Sweats who were playing Germany a few months ago have shifted back to Russia again.
You didn’t listen to what I said. The reason it rises with the LMUR is that the tryhards want to use it. The majority of Russian players don’t have the Mi-28NM at all, which clearly indicates that it’s more than just a single vehicle.
If you have been paying attention to win rates this year, you would have noticed a dip in Russian win rates around March, before the new SPAA was added. This dip occurred because the players who were contributing to the excellent Russian win rate switched to nations like Germany to get the IRIS-T. This is simply happening again.
Once again, you didn’t listen. The Tryhards spamming Leopard 2A7V have switched to Russia to abuse the Mi-28NM. The AH-64E is just as insane, yet the US has a terrible win rate because it isn’t being tryharded like Russia is.
omfg you either didnt read or understand anything i just wrote
My entire third paragraph was to show you that even if we assume ridiculously good performances for the players (or games) russia gained post update the average player winrate would still increase by a noticable margin. And those numbers are with every additional game or player being at a 100% winrate which is impossible.
So theres 2 possibilites. Either your explanation which would be a complete statistical outlier and completely insane OR that the extremely potent, easy to use and extremely well performing heli is just busted.
The AH64E doesnt even have half the games the MI28NM has and is a 540000RP grind compare to one module. And even then it has a 51.4% wr, 5.8% higher than the highest US top tier tank. Russia is not being tryyharded more, its just more broken.
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The screenshot is irrelevant to the text of your post.
Not sure why you’re citing team skill in the same post as talking about weapons.
It changed approximately the same as it did in March to June, yet nothing was added to tank the winrate, which is what you don’t understand. Russia doesn’t have the best MBTs, which are the backbone of winning a match. The Mi-28NM is strong, but it’s as simple as hiding behind a building to avoid.
The problem is the META grifters.
It’s strong, but not outright busted compared to the other LDIRCM helicopters. Yes, it gets special treatment, but that doesn’t mean the winrate jump is ONLY because of the Mi-28NM.
Note that the T-80BVM has 4 times the games of the Mi-28NM, yet it still maintains a 63% winrate and a 2-3KD from October. The T-80BVM is not the strongest tank in the game.
To hammer this point in even further, these are the Stats from September, before the LMUR was announced.
The LMUR does not triple the BVM’s KD. It’s a different vehicle.
Clearly, the skill level of Russian Players rose drastically in a month. This spontaneous spike of performance is indicative of only one thing. META players saw the LMUR and switched to Russia.
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Dude the new SPAA released in June which is what tanked russian winrate June-August…
What exactly is the rest supposed to tell? The BVM jumped only 0.08 in KD where on earth did you get triple? But 6.9% in Winrate so something thats not the BVM is causing that increase. The LMUR release in the last week of september and you can see that increase already if you compare to August.
And like i already told you the amount of statistically impossibly good players needed to facilitate that winrate swing is incredibly unlikely.
Respectfully you either dont have your dates right regarding the updates or you dont understand statistics
Really now? Besides the fact that they were released in the last few days of June, here’s May.
How about April?
Or March?
Hmm. Seems pretty consistent up until the LMUR was announced.
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yeah the pre new SPAA Pantsir KH38MT abuse meta for sure is a great example to make here. Jesus christ dude youre really double downing on an extremely unlikely explanation instead of seeing that swings in winrate seem to coincidentally correlate with additions that leapfrog what we had until then?
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Care to explain why the BVM’s KD jumped 3 fold in October? You’re dodging it.
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Where did it jump 3 fold? It went from 1.33 in September to 1.41 in October?
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Many players spawn helicopters on victories, which is a bias we have to take into consideration.
It didn’t tank Soviet win rates, they were already tanked months prior because skilled players moved to other tech trees.
As Just Baron stated:
Meta chasers go for the shortest possible route, which is Mi-28NM, because AH-64E is 1 new vehicle vs 1 mod, and Z-10ME is one new vehicle even if it was added earlier.
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Russian players arent good. You can call them soviet all you wont all top tier is past 1989 so it’s Russia they even have the Russian flag stop the protecting Russian bias from the Russian devs
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In my experience with Top Tier Germany and Russia are butt buddies at top tier 80% of the time in my games they are together
@HOMINUSNOCTURNO-live coming here to defend “Russia”.
I never made claims about Soviet players. I cited Statshark. You can claim Statshark is wrong, and you can claim Statshark is “protecting Russian bias” [something that does not exist] all you want, but that won’t change reality.
The game is made by international developers from the European Union. This is not my opinion.