of course
Nothing justifies the level of opiness russian CAS is at currently
Besides, not everyone can get the proper counter
They only get 8?
You might be thinking of the inferior CM-502KGs:
TY-90s got nerfed.
They are still the best heli A-2-A missiles and are still good even for 13.0, but they are easily defeated with pre-flaring or roll dodging.
Although they are pretty good at the lower BRs, such as 11.0 with the Z-9WA.
But no gun with the Z-9WA, and weak gun for the Z-10s, though, so they can’t deal with planes once they get within gun range… unlike the Mi-28NM.
Apache’s gun against planes is also unreliable.
I’d really like to see the Apache getting proxy shells for its 40mm, and the Z-10’s too (apparently it can get a 30mm too?).
Those F&F helis are now a whole 1.0 BR higher than the KA-52.
The KA-52 is still very much viable now.
Most of the new multi-SAM SPAAs also went up to 12.7.
You’d still have to be careful of the CS/SA5, EldE 98, and especially the Tan Sam Kai, though.
If you even have the opportunity to see the heli or when they get launched.
Most aircraft at top tier preflare within 4-5km of the battlefield anyways.
Besides, unless they are spawncamping the air spawn, they’re usually near their helipad to rearm their AGMs too…
Z-10ME doesn’t get a good radar either, making it easy for planes to spot them with their radar before it spots them.
AH-64E’s and Mi-28NM’s radars are much more usable.
Z-10ME radar is a 100% copypaste of AH-64E radar. And both useless.
No, they are different.
The Z-10ME’s is just a copypaste of the Z-19’s.
The Apache E’s radar has 16km max range whereas Z-10ME’s radar only has max range of 8km.
They buffed 64e radar? Was 8km on dev. But still useless. Radar window is so bad today. I really miss the old radar window.
It was buffed since live.
IIRC they just copypasted the AH-64D’s radar onto the Apache E in dev server.
16km is much more usable – you can start seeing enemy helis from the other close helipad too.
You can detect some planes before they even notice you too (I can’t say the same with the Z-10ME’s), but I agree that its usefulness is quite limited due to the really crappy refresh rate.
Most of the time I keep it off to prevent enemies receiving RWR pings.
Problem with radar is it’s visual. The window was reduced, and the marks were made smaller/thinner and they disappear faster. They are almost impossible to notice with peripheral vision.
My bad. I still think it is the best heli, as it flies really nicely and TY-90s are CRACKED. AH-64E and Mi-28NM just feel like boats.
TY-90s used to be much better.
They’re good but they don’t substitute really any of the IRCCM / ARH / SARH missiles that top tier jets get.
Helis as an air-to-air platform are interesting but most of the time they’re just a flying pinata if you are aware of them in a jet, especially the Z-10 because of their lackluster gun and preflarable missiles (as with all heli a-2-a missiles). Good third-party machine in a dogfight, though. But 10km range Vikhirs + Iglas + 30mm from the Mi-28NM could probably do just as fine.
You are better off not using the radar on a helicopter in the first place. It gives you away immediately to other helis and planes and is not that usefull.
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I was using them against some planes earlier and I shot them in such a terrible aspect I never thought they would hit, but for some reason they always do. Ofc, doesn’t work against LDIRCM Helis, for that Vikhrs are better.
I mean they’re basically free kills against unaware aircraft that don’t preflare – just like IRCCMs missiles from planes. It’s just that it’s sometimes easier since you can hover in one spot and hide until they get close enough. The problem is that you aren’t going to win let alone kill a semi-competent air player with them.
I’ve had many runs with the Su-25T and such helis are usually the least of my problems (until I give them my rear or I run out of flares).
I know
I mean, you do get Vikhrs which are basically the bane of every heli, on a platform that isn’t a heli.
Well even if the Su-25T didn’t get Vikhirs, you can just gun strafe the Z-9WA / Z-19, for example, 9/10 times without an issue.
You can also just shoot R-73s at them.
As for top tier helis, like the Z-10ME, Z-10. Ka-52, Mi-28NM, AH-64E etc… (stuff with DIRCM or even LDIRCM) they are all killed pretty easily with laser-guided munitions (stuff like SAL Brimstones, SAL Hammers, etc). Or a gun strafe can also work most of the time too (most of them either don’t have guns or the guns are inaccurate / deal no damage) other than the Ka-52’s, Mi-28NM’s, Mi-28N’s, and Ka-50’s.
The best kind of helicopter, in my opinion, is one that can defend itself against strafes the best, while also being the best ground pounder.
So far, the Mi-28NM seems to be the most versatile for ground (being able to kill things in smoke, kill SACLOS SPAAs very easily, and can still defend itself with its gun, and potentially able to third-party planes with iglas / vikhirs and kill helicopters somewhat reliably.
While the Z-10ME can third-party planes just as well or sometimes even better than the Mi-28NM, and can completetly wreck most helis with its laser AKD-10s, you are almost defenseless in a gun strafe scenario, and still cannot kill smoking targets / SACLOS SPAAs effectively.
The AH-64E sacrifices the anti-jet capabilities all together to focus on ground pounding (similar in capabilities as that of the Mi-28NM other than when the target is smoking), offering more potent F&F and SAL munitions in total than either the Mi-28NM or Z-10ME, and having the best capabilities against helis out of the three.
I’d say the AH-64E is on par with the Z-10ME, but I can see where I’d rather play the Z-10ME when there are a lot of jets, or the AH-64E when there are a lot of tanks / helis.
I guess this is a fair statement.