Bf 109 and Fw 190 can take on pretty much everything quite confidently. F8F-1 is a joke they’re legitimately so easy to shoot down it’s not even funny.
Yaks and Spitfires are both pretty overpowered, but you can simply put climb a Yak, and perform the immelman manuevern against a spitfire.
Being threattened by only two planes is pretty good.
mig15 and f86 downtiers ruined all of uk rank 5-6, rank 7 is only the phantoms which are mid/bad for their BR nowadays, and the top tier is good but equal to like 6 other nations
F8F-1 got amazing power at lower alts and decent turn its very underated the fact it keeps going down is shocking
Fair enough but there props are pretty insane
spit fire will almost always out climb you and yaks will always beat you unless you have a altitude advantage its mostly just banking on other player being bad
Fw190s are the saddest props of there br cant turn can only slide climb and BNZ so easy to dispatch Fw190s
Yeah spitfires in particular are really stupid, hence the immelman.
Getting an altitude advantage is easy. Bf 109 and Fw 190 easily out climbs Yaks.
Personally, the Fw 190 D-9 is one of my favorite props. It has the performance of the F4U-4B whilst being a full BR lower.
yaks climb pretty high before there engine cuts out only time that works is if they VK105PF if they have the 107A engine your cooked as it goes alot higher
spit out climbs and out turns you which is annoying and can keep up energy wise
I’ve never had troubles with being out climbed by Yaks whilst spading the G-2.
Spitfires being overpowered doesn’t mean Germany is underpowered by any means.
G2/6 is the only good 109 model try it with F model you will get out climbed
Don’t remember the last time you correctly judged a plane
I don’t understand how that is your conclusion from what I posted.
What I showed was that realShatter shells, even those with little explosive filler, like 15mm HEFI-T, are severly overperforming.
20mm Mineshells trade range and ballistic performance for increased damage, a trade-off which is meaningless in WT as regular explosive shells outperform it in damage.
So either you buff 20mm Mineshell damage even more, to the point where it hits now like 30mm Mineshells, which makes no sense, or you nerf the damage of realShatter shells, severly scaling down their structural damage for more fragmentation damage.
If it takes one 30mm Mineshell that causes 1.5m² or more structural damage to a P-47 to force it to crash land, it would take 74,6 ShVAK shells to cause similiar destruction.
Of course almost 75 96g shells would also bring roughly 6.75kg of fragments into the target, which would cause further structural damage and turn the spars into pin cushions.
So it wouldn’t need that many hits in reality.
But it would only take roughly 5 20mm Mineshells to cause similiar damage to the wing area, for comparison.
A P-47 would easily tank 10 or more ShVAK explosive shells into one wing and keep flying, with the biggest concern that weapon system and gear hydraulics get damaged.
There’s also the chance that fragments find their way into the oil tanks or hit the pilot, resulting in a delayed kill. But this depends mostly on the attack direction.
But the reality is that unless you hit fuel tanks, pilot or engine direclty with either AP or HE rounds, a ShVAK isn’t going to blow a P-47 out of the sky like it’s nothing.
Since P-47 or IL-2 have nothing in the wings except guns and ammo, it’s incredible difficult to bring them down, even with 20mm guns unless you bring out your 20mm or 30mm Mineshells, or you have 20mm AP that is strong enough hit the pilot through the armor plate protecting him.
They didn’t call the IL-2 a flying tank for nothing and the reality wasn’t that they fired 10 rounds, hit 2 and it ripped a wing or tail off.
Well, any BR that faces Soviet props is unplayable, because it’s just “hit,. hit, hit, hit”, as 50+% of minengeschoss won’t fuse, becasue you have to hit modules for them to do so.
Then we have Yak-3U at 5.7 which is better than Ta-152H at 6.0 firepower, speed, climb and turn wise (it also rolls better at some speed) and yes, one CAN win while using flaps and getting a bit better turn here and there, but god damn, it’s not easy.
There’s BI roflstomping 6.7.
So basically at every tier it’s mostly pain for Germany. Shvaks or Berezin need 2-4HE hits, I have to hit La-7 with like 10 shells (as stealth belt is only 60% HE anyway) to make it feel something.
Vs US and Britain Germany is playable, yes. But the wider picture is not pretty.
Also since Germany is often facing Japan for whatever reason, any Fw 190 D9 pilot will experience A6M5’s pushing head-ons, which isn’t funny as they need to land ONE shell to bring D9 down, while the other way around at least 3-4 hits to 1 wing are needed on average.
the problem is latter nerfing real shatter is NEVER GONNA HAPPEN german 20mm underperferform its not trade off its some fantasy thing gaijin did for them IRL they are meant for BOMBERS like B17 do large structural damage in a big area the Mg151 only does a little more damage than a 15mm when it should be dead ceneter between 15 to 30mm cannons wise
U.S. planes are especially easy to shoot down due to how big they are and how bad they fly.
Japanese planes are annoying but there’s ways to defeat them.
Again, the only real troubles you face are again Russia and Britain, and even then, you can easily put limb Yaks.
most us planes are very good for example P51C10
US planes fly incredibly well if you treat them right and keep diving room to maintain high speed in fights.
Mustang Mk IA/P51, P51C, F6F-5, F8F-1, F4U-4, F4U-4B, P-38s in general if you master their flaps, P-40F, P63A5, P-39 are all incredible planes if one uses them as they ought be and doesn’t just low-speed flat turn 100 meters off deck. (F4U-1s are also cool, but I hate their rear visibility)
You don’t even need to be higher than your opponent to make them work - just high enough that when they inevitably go downhill, you can gain some nasty flight performance from gravity’s assistance or if they go high, you can dive down, extend and reset to go for another engagement.
P-51C is one of the only examples.
All the P-51Ds are hot steaming Maus droppings.
The P-47s are very good, especially the D-25, but they still don’t compare to 109s or 190s.
F-82 is a fun gimmick, but it’s not very good in a practical setting.
P-38s and Corsairs are, ok I guess? I’ve never had a good time in a P-38, and never had any issues fighting them aside from in bombers.
As for Corsairs, the 4B is amazing but I genuinly can’t recall ever dying to a Corsair outside of GRB.
The F8F-1 is just a joke. The fact that people think it’s overpowered is baffling.
The F6F loses all its energy after the first turn.
P-61 is obnoxious to fight against, but any plane with a good climb rate really can’t lose.
The Aircobras and Kingcobras are actually good enough to compare with Soviet planes, but they’re only from 2.7-4.0.
This is why you need altitude and know how to position yourself to make that turn count. You don’t need to immediately cash in your energy.
IdahoBookworm uses the Hellcat and P38 alike to great effect. Check out his channel if you do not believe me (especially as lately I’ve been mucking around with the G.55)
TrainingDays considers the p38G and Bf109F4 very similar/comparable aircraft where the difference of who wins/loses comes down to who is better at flap usage assuming comparable initial energy level and neutral initial positions.
US planes have like twice the range of the guns. And things like F4U4B have tons of ammo and can literally click you put of the sky.
F4U4 which sits super low at 4.3 can give any German prop a run for its money if used in a smart way as it has very decent high speed handling, insanely good flaps for some hilariously fast slow speed turns and it basically outruns every German prop below 1000m.
F8F is very good if the climb and speed are used right.
P-38 will be higher than you and outgunning you by a large margin. They are maneuvrable and decently fast. They are difficult to aim, but when you’re getting pushed down/out-energied by them, it’s not much of a consolation - you can dodge them a bit, but you’re toast anyway unless your team is good (almost never happens, it’s carry or die). What does Germany have to counter these? Nothing.
Yeah things like P-47 are not very straightforward, but they work surprisingly well if you adhere to the same playstyle as Fw 190 D9 - stay fast, in case of trouble get faster.
US planes only feel like “easy opponent” because they are comparable to what Germany has. GB is a bit more difficult because it’s less straightforward to fight against. Japan starts to be an issue. USSR is a royal PITA and by far the most dangerous opponent.
If you never died to a Corsair, maybe you’re by far the best player WT has ever seen, but I kinda doubt.
