German 151s currently are the only 20mm CANNON using old math from before gaijin added real shatter despite mine shells for germany have the most explosive mass they do less damage then there piers like hispanos which use Tetryl which is a TNT equivalent
not to mention the russian HANOMAG spaa premium which uses 20mm MG151s GETS REAL SHATTER ON THEM
should mine shells be given real shatter
yes
no
other explain below]
0voters
SHVAK cannons ingame have 4 grams of explosive mass in there HE rounds
MG-151 Mineshcobe rounds have 18grams and do less damage in protection analysis which doesnt make sense
shvaks use TETRYL and MG151s use HA-41 which HA-41 is more powerfull then tetryl when i comes to explosive power per gram
hispanos also use Tetryl and have higher amount at 6.4Grams
the RE or (relative effectivness factor) is 1.0 RE for Tetryl which is equal to TNT at 1.0 RE
HA-41 has a RE of 1.4
ballistics arent the problem as the MG151 fires HEI at 785 m/s and shvak shoots HEF at 800m/s a difference of 15m/s which is very small this would only increase armor penetration which doesnt matter on planes as all aircraft skin is 1mm thick
18GRAMS of HA-41 is equal to 21-23 grams of TNT
4.13 GRAMS of A-IX-2 is equal to 6 GRAMS OF TNT
6 grams of tetryl is 7.08 grams of TNT
a million iam only see 1 bug report
i would be suprised if you could show me a second one
you have no clue how game development works, do you?
and especially in war thunder
it isnt some weird bias you a perceving here it is just a dev adding newer code to newer additions
they might as well added the hanomag to france or britian and you wouldnt have cried about some bias
It is not only the missing Real Shatter - gaijin has nerfed the MG 151/20 like hell - i can live with the weakest 20 mm cannon, but the self-destruction (SD) nerf (range-based and not time-based) and the poor ballistics since the ballistic “update” made the weapon without any doubt the weakest 20 mm cannon in the game.
They closed my own bug report regarding the SD nerf:
…with the label “not enough info” - despite i linked the officially archived handbook - including the specific part including the correct time-fuse settings.
In total opposition to historical sources (describing the cannon as unable to kill enemy aircraft even with full bursts) gaijin buffed the 20 mm ShVak to the imho best 20 mm cannon at prop BRs.
…that gaijin needed years to de-nerf the mine shells regarding the impact fuse. The shells penetrated especially wooden USSR aircraft wings without exploding.
If you would be a better pilot you would be aware of those issues.
Go and fly undertiered Chinese jets and stay out of serious debates.
and more importantly you just linked a 300 page manual without even saying at what page to look at
do you know how you properly attach a page from a manual?
because you sent the whole manual and the important page so that they dont have to look and search trough a 300 page manual because they wont do that
wrong you linked a forum post
you should have attached the important page to you report
which isnt a source so unless you attach that to the report it isnt accepted
if your report looked something like the following it would have probably been accepted:
The German prop aircraft within wt use mainly MG 151/20 with the so called “mine shells” / Minengeschoss shell, which currently self destructs after a certain distance traveled.
This is wrong as stated in “Munitionsvorschrift für Fliegerbordwaffen” (attached in the sources), the shells are supposed to self destruct after 3 seconds of flight and not after traveling a specific distance.
The shells produced after April of 1941 had a SD fuse after 3 seconds.
Source:
Munitionsvorschrift für Fliegerbordwaffen (Page 14)
and with the following picture and a PDF of the manual attached in the sources section of the report
gaijin doesn’t need a bug report to know they didn’t add realshatter to like 5% of the game’s cannons and that they need to go and do that to make everything equitable.
so why aren’t they putting it on the planes, I am not saying they have anti-german bias, I am saying they don’t know how to dev their game.
Its really stange that russian MG151 shells are that much better (the captured Hanomag from the package). Better fuse + real shatter. Also no autodestruct? Frustrating.
didnt read to far into the document or usage of the round it was just an example on how the bug report should have been made instead of linking forum posts and a 300 page document without even stating what page
