they either move it down in BR or they move F80 METEORS up in BR as BNZ is a Band-Aid on a gun shot wound
So What He162 fights props 24/7 its not broken
Jesus christ this is almot rage bait just side climb
cant do either with current compression, decompression required
he162 is about 50% of the jet the 262 is, it’s a lot worse.
It is if its played right your untouchable
yes waste have my match side climbing to be effective shouldnt have too its a interceptor its whole purpose is intercepting either it gets airspawn as all interceptors should or it gets down tiered no plane should have to side climb to be effective
yeah at a hole br lower
j21 jet model is just as low too the only 7.0 that me262 is better than is F3D most 7.0s shouldnt be 7.0
Recently flown the F-80A and it absolutely clowns on a 262 in every regard except shooting down B-29s.
The difference is that the 104 not only has way better TWR than even a MiG-15 and can sustain such attacks especially if it plays with some verticality (the 262 can’t), but its gun actually functions as a gun and less as a potato launcher.
I don’t think people realize just how bad it is. The MK108’s shells travel at 500m/s and have quite poor drag characteristics; the shells from the MG FF/M (found all the way down at ~3.0) start at 675m/s and those are generally seen as having subpar muzzle velocity… when aircraft are going about half as fast as the 262 does.
The 162 does 95% of what a 262 can do (apart from the horrid rudder/aileron instructor behavior) and it’s all the way down at 6.0. It’s also less than half the weight of a 262.
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and can go nearly as fast in dive too
and? It’s not even a good 6.0
its pretty good use your speed bro great high speed manuverbility and a high wing rip limit guns are the only that hold it back
Yeah, I’d definitely say that, at least at first, we should start them off at the airfield at 6.7. We can work from there and see how they do with climbing for a few months, then adjust accordingly.
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I’m referring you to this post. It summarises the full discussion fairly well. If you’re invested enough in the discussion, I’d recommend scrolling around, mostly above that, to see the arguments against @SinisterIsRandom , since that fairly handily covers most of the arguments against what we’re proposing here, and how we responded to them before.
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There is a HEAVY amount of misinformation in that post. This entire thread is basically people ACTIVELY ADVOCATING FOR COMPRESSION because they think that the fact the playerbase doesnt know how to fly jets will somehow equalize out the 262 with 5.3-6.0 props in the long run. Suffice to say gaijin isn’t doing any of this shit and I’m glad.
The answer, as always, is decompression. Full stop. End.
Having deviating opinions does not require to be impolite.
I kindly ask you to provide just 3 examples of the “HEAVY amount of misinformation” in my post.
Besides that:
Opinions are nice, opinions based on experience are nicer.
In order to assess the credibility of information you have to have the necessary experience. Based on your 262 stats you are not really in the position to assess the situation of non-rocket powered 262s - you have neither the necessary experience (=numbers of games) nor remarkable results or even success whilst flying them.
Even as i assess myself as bloody noob at this BR range (i fly props only) and considering that i am using a HOTAS in Air RB (and therefore never took a head-on) and just scored kills based on BnZ or high angle deflection shots, i would assess my own performance stats in 6.3 and 6.7 Me 262s as very poor - but they are somehow better than yours.
So if even highly experienced players like you struggle with getting good results whilst flying 262s vs mostly way less experienced players - how do you think that the other 95% of 262 players without this experience advantage will perform? This is (ofc) a rhetorical question.
From a pure credibility and battle performance aspect i recommend to read the posts of the fellow player @POLYDEUCES again - he somehow manages to play the 262 A-2a extremely successful - based on his service record the 6.7 version is a candidate for a higher BR😊
Requesting competitive BRs for the most successful jet fighter in aviation history is a matter of common sense. Using buzzwords like compression or decompression does not change this.
It makes no sense to fly an aircraft when it is severely outperformed at its BR. In most scenarios (or just in other aircraft) experienced players can close performance gaps with their experience advantage - but if the gap is too large you run into situations that even rookie players get multiple times away with basic mistakes whilst you can’t afford to make just one.
So even if you fight props in the 262 (and you have a speed advantage) you still have the challenge to bring guns (MK 108 grenade launchers) on target. Yes, in isolated 1 vs 1 you might be able to push your enemy low and slow enough - but the in-game reality sees mainly crumbling lobbies if they are dominated by 262s - so you fight mainly 1 vs all.
Equalizing player skill with BR:
The whole BR system is mainly based on player performance - in other words if planes underperform because the majority of their players can’t use them correctly the BRs will decrease.
The 262s are somehow excluded from this rule - that is the main reason why this thread exists.
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Oh, no. 😱
I played it carefully, that is mostly it.
The 0.3 difference really takes the edge off regarding uptiers.
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Nobody is being impolite.
Can you tell me when I flew the 262 in my career?
(hint, 2018)
You can say this means I don’t know what I’m talking about… but I’d also say you’re just goalpost moving to fit your bias. My stats prove I am not anywhere close to a bad player (or even average) and trying to use ancient 262 stats when I was close to brand new.
You can say I don’t know what I’m talking about since I haven’t flown it since then, that’s fine, but I know what I’m talking about, lol.
“Competitive BRs” is more healthily obtained by decompressing, rather than compressing the matchmaker further into oblivion. What the hell do you think a 5.3-5.7 aircraft will do to a 262?
This whole conversation makes me think you think the F-104A facing stuff like the G.91 pre series is fine because it’s basically the same issue just with a good gun but with an even worse flight platform.
these do not fit the definition of buzzwords. Most of the playerbase doesn’t even know what this means.
Mhm - this depends on personal standards. Accusing others to spread misinformation (“HEAVY amount of misinformation”) is from my pov the exact opposite of being polite.
That is exactly the issue here.
It makes simply little zero sense to talk about outdated experiences based on general knowledge when current topics are discussed. Even as the general game play remains more or less unchanged it is obvious that player skill on average deteriorated whilst the challenges for 262 pilots increased.
If i would have a choice i would rather repeat the constant full uptier loops vs F-80s in the pre-nerf Re 2005 at 6.0 than flying a 7.0 Me 262 vs 7.0 opponents.
Nobody is shifting goal posts and there is no bias. I like the 262s and the 162 from the technological aspect (WW 2 tech) and because they require a hell of experience to make them even remotely work.
But there is a difference between having a challenge and being unable to take the initiative due to a lack of any significant and actually decisive advantage.
Nobody said this.
Whilst i generally agree with your view on gaijin’s BR distribution policy, i stated multiple times in this thread what happens when WW 2 jets meet competent prop pilots, no need to repeat this again.
I mean it is obvious that the term “buzzwords” has to be seen from its context.
As written in another thread: I am not your enemy.