Yeah, I’d definitely say that, at least at first, we should start them off at the airfield at 6.7. We can work from there and see how they do with climbing for a few months, then adjust accordingly.
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I’m referring you to this post. It summarises the full discussion fairly well. If you’re invested enough in the discussion, I’d recommend scrolling around, mostly above that, to see the arguments against @SinisterIsRandom , since that fairly handily covers most of the arguments against what we’re proposing here, and how we responded to them before.
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There is a HEAVY amount of misinformation in that post. This entire thread is basically people ACTIVELY ADVOCATING FOR COMPRESSION because they think that the fact the playerbase doesnt know how to fly jets will somehow equalize out the 262 with 5.3-6.0 props in the long run. Suffice to say gaijin isn’t doing any of this shit and I’m glad.
The answer, as always, is decompression. Full stop. End.
Having deviating opinions does not require to be impolite.
I kindly ask you to provide just 3 examples of the “HEAVY amount of misinformation” in my post.
Besides that:
Opinions are nice, opinions based on experience are nicer.
In order to assess the credibility of information you have to have the necessary experience. Based on your 262 stats you are not really in the position to assess the situation of non-rocket powered 262s - you have neither the necessary experience (=numbers of games) nor remarkable results or even success whilst flying them.
Even as i assess myself as bloody noob at this BR range (i fly props only) and considering that i am using a HOTAS in Air RB (and therefore never took a head-on) and just scored kills based on BnZ or high angle deflection shots, i would assess my own performance stats in 6.3 and 6.7 Me 262s as very poor - but they are somehow better than yours.
So if even highly experienced players like you struggle with getting good results whilst flying 262s vs mostly way less experienced players - how do you think that the other 95% of 262 players without this experience advantage will perform? This is (ofc) a rhetorical question.
From a pure credibility and battle performance aspect i recommend to read the posts of the fellow player @POLYDEUCES again - he somehow manages to play the 262 A-2a extremely successful - based on his service record the 6.7 version is a candidate for a higher BR😊
Requesting competitive BRs for the most successful jet fighter in aviation history is a matter of common sense. Using buzzwords like compression or decompression does not change this.
It makes no sense to fly an aircraft when it is severely outperformed at its BR. In most scenarios (or just in other aircraft) experienced players can close performance gaps with their experience advantage - but if the gap is too large you run into situations that even rookie players get multiple times away with basic mistakes whilst you can’t afford to make just one.
So even if you fight props in the 262 (and you have a speed advantage) you still have the challenge to bring guns (MK 108 grenade launchers) on target. Yes, in isolated 1 vs 1 you might be able to push your enemy low and slow enough - but the in-game reality sees mainly crumbling lobbies if they are dominated by 262s - so you fight mainly 1 vs all.
Equalizing player skill with BR:
The whole BR system is mainly based on player performance - in other words if planes underperform because the majority of their players can’t use them correctly the BRs will decrease.
The 262s are somehow excluded from this rule - that is the main reason why this thread exists.
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Oh, no. 😱
I played it carefully, that is mostly it.
The 0.3 difference really takes the edge off regarding uptiers.
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Nobody is being impolite.
Can you tell me when I flew the 262 in my career?
(hint, 2018)
You can say this means I don’t know what I’m talking about… but I’d also say you’re just goalpost moving to fit your bias. My stats prove I am not anywhere close to a bad player (or even average) and trying to use ancient 262 stats when I was close to brand new.
You can say I don’t know what I’m talking about since I haven’t flown it since then, that’s fine, but I know what I’m talking about, lol.
“Competitive BRs” is more healthily obtained by decompressing, rather than compressing the matchmaker further into oblivion. What the hell do you think a 5.3-5.7 aircraft will do to a 262?
This whole conversation makes me think you think the F-104A facing stuff like the G.91 pre series is fine because it’s basically the same issue just with a good gun but with an even worse flight platform.
these do not fit the definition of buzzwords. Most of the playerbase doesn’t even know what this means.
Mhm - this depends on personal standards. Accusing others to spread misinformation (“HEAVY amount of misinformation”) is from my pov the exact opposite of being polite.
That is exactly the issue here.
It makes simply little zero sense to talk about outdated experiences based on general knowledge when current topics are discussed. Even as the general game play remains more or less unchanged it is obvious that player skill on average deteriorated whilst the challenges for 262 pilots increased.
If i would have a choice i would rather repeat the constant full uptier loops vs F-80s in the pre-nerf Re 2005 at 6.0 than flying a 7.0 Me 262 vs 7.0 opponents.
Nobody is shifting goal posts and there is no bias. I like the 262s and the 162 from the technological aspect (WW 2 tech) and because they require a hell of experience to make them even remotely work.
But there is a difference between having a challenge and being unable to take the initiative due to a lack of any significant and actually decisive advantage.
Nobody said this.
Whilst i generally agree with your view on gaijin’s BR distribution policy, i stated multiple times in this thread what happens when WW 2 jets meet competent prop pilots, no need to repeat this again.
I mean it is obvious that the term “buzzwords” has to be seen from its context.
As written in another thread: I am not your enemy.
Sure. Which means I don’t have to necessarily adjust if I think I’m not being impolite just because someone else thinks I am being impolite.
You can spread misinformation accidently.
I knew the goalposts would move.
I’ve flown it recently enough (in smaller samples) and studied it enough as an experienced player to know what I’m talking about. If you think otherwise, that’s great. Coincidence here is that I also think you have no idea what you’re talking about to imply the 262s would be balanced at 6.3.
Good players don’t need to constantly be playing 100% of everything in the game to have a well educated opinion on them. Anybody who is good generally studies a lot of these planes outside of the game as well as inside of it.
It still does no worse than stalemates? That’s what happens. The props don’t win. Best case scenario they stalemate.
Again:
Context matters.
And:
There is a difference between having a deviation opinion and stating “you have no idea”.
As soon as you change your perspective things start to make sense.
If you refer to the term “balanced” the perspective of a long term player does usually not reflect the in-game reality within wt. So if the majority of pilots are rookies the assessment of “balance” depends on their ability to make them work - and not the minority of experienced players.
That’s why i wrote:
So if the lobbies in Air RB are dominated by players without any clue and head-ons are the preferred attack profile it is not hard to understand that the average player struggles with 262s.
As BRs are usually determined by results of average players we have a hell of severely under- an overtiered aircraft in wt; undertiered if flown by a hell of rookies, overtiered if flown by just a few experienced players.
This looks like an incorrect assessment - just read the op and you might get the idea that nothing like that is happening.
No - the props win.
Usually your 262 team mates have neither the experience nor the passion & patience to outplay their speed advantage, so in most of your matches the outcome depends on the props within your team.
If they fail or just face the “wrong” nation you play very soon 1 vs all and lose by tickets. How? Quite obvious: One or two US pilots groundpound whilst you have 3-4 at your six.
The only difference between what I’ve said and what you’ve said is that you were indirect about it and I was direct in response.
Is this meant to be an argument FOR or AGAINST player statistic based balancing? The Me262s are currently the BRs they are, presumably, because gaijin doesn’t think they need to go down. Based on, ding ding ding, their user statistics.
No, they don’t. There is no way for a prop to kill a 262 who is not actively messing up.