whats stopping the p51 from using speeds of 850kph+ and zoom climbing at 850kph? I don’t know really…
zoom climbs wont get you to 10k feet before P51 it can WEP at higher angles and climb faster youll slow down eventually P51-H5 can just follow even if it cant and dodge
Except you’ll be 15km away when you start climbing? If P-51 is seen to be getting close and has intercept capability you can ALWAYS just dive back out.
I’m going to stop here, I don’t think you have enough experience with this BR and fighting props in jets.
Yea so you just dont know how to boom and zoom
hard to when everyone out climbs you
they either move it down in BR or they move F80 METEORS up in BR as BNZ is a Band-Aid on a gun shot wound
So What He162 fights props 24/7 its not broken
Jesus christ this is almot rage bait just side climb
cant do either with current compression, decompression required
he162 is about 50% of the jet the 262 is, it’s a lot worse.
It is if its played right your untouchable
yes waste have my match side climbing to be effective shouldnt have too its a interceptor its whole purpose is intercepting either it gets airspawn as all interceptors should or it gets down tiered no plane should have to side climb to be effective
yeah at a hole br lower
j21 jet model is just as low too the only 7.0 that me262 is better than is F3D most 7.0s shouldnt be 7.0
Recently flown the F-80A and it absolutely clowns on a 262 in every regard except shooting down B-29s.
The difference is that the 104 not only has way better TWR than even a MiG-15 and can sustain such attacks especially if it plays with some verticality (the 262 can’t), but its gun actually functions as a gun and less as a potato launcher.
I don’t think people realize just how bad it is. The MK108’s shells travel at 500m/s and have quite poor drag characteristics; the shells from the MG FF/M (found all the way down at ~3.0) start at 675m/s and those are generally seen as having subpar muzzle velocity… when aircraft are going about half as fast as the 262 does.
The 162 does 95% of what a 262 can do (apart from the horrid rudder/aileron instructor behavior) and it’s all the way down at 6.0. It’s also less than half the weight of a 262.
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and can go nearly as fast in dive too
and? It’s not even a good 6.0
its pretty good use your speed bro great high speed manuverbility and a high wing rip limit guns are the only that hold it back
Yeah, I’d definitely say that, at least at first, we should start them off at the airfield at 6.7. We can work from there and see how they do with climbing for a few months, then adjust accordingly.
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I’m referring you to this post. It summarises the full discussion fairly well. If you’re invested enough in the discussion, I’d recommend scrolling around, mostly above that, to see the arguments against @SinisterIsRandom , since that fairly handily covers most of the arguments against what we’re proposing here, and how we responded to them before.
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