In some instances, I’d take the Jumbo 76, in others, I’d take the Jumbo Pershing. With that being said, the Jumbo is still a lower BR - albiet maybe not as far apart as they should. Jumbo 76 is not inferior to the Jumbo Pershing in every way, just a decent number, unlike the Cent Mk.1 vs Cent Mk.2.
MBT-70 is 0.3 higher than XM-803?
Admittedly these 2 might not have been the best examples.
They would be 0.7 apart if the KPZ-70 moves to 9.7.
Yes, but you stated that the MBT-70 would, not the KPZ-70.
I meant the KPZ-70. Corrected the spelling error.
That’s fine
Do not quote “bad spalling” at the tanks which have the worst spalling non mini-caliber dart in the game.
I have yet to encounter a round in game which spalls as little as the XM578E1, the 3BM22 and 3BM42 are so incredibly better spall wise its not even a contest.
4.3kg of HE vs 3.73kg and the HEAT for the longest time lacked overpressure, same with the MGM-51.
Said HE is vastly more reliable at over pressuring targets after my time using both.
The Kpz-70 is completely fine, and one of the best 9.3s. MBT-70 is not different enough to warrant a different BR.
Hehe funny swedish sherman go brrr
That thing is honestly just hilarious, since it gets brought up in discussions about both medium and heavy tanks. Hell, with the engine upgrade + vertical stabiliser it has I wouldnt be suprised if it worked as a decent light tank too!
76mm APFSDS is much much worse than XM758.
The T-64 doesn’t fire XM578. This was about T-64 vs MBT-70 not MBT-70 vs MBT-70.
Doesn’t make a big difference.
OF-471 with 3,6kg TNT has 37mm of pen
M657A2 with 4,3kg TNT has 38mm of pen
Difference is negligible and if overpressure fails you still get the HEAT post pen to do damage. When M657A2 fails your round does 0 damage.
Yes, mini-caliber darts have worse spall than XM578E1 I flat out said that in the start of the post my guy.
At what point was I comparing any of the MBT-70 derivatives? No, I compared the T-64 series rounds to the rounds that the MBT-70 uses, the XM578E1. At no point does the XM578E1 have even remotely the same amount of spall as the 3BM22 or 3BM42.
Spoken like someone who has not used either round. Reminder that the MGM-51 has superior filler and penetration compared to both but still has terrible overpressure effects, or even, until recently, no overpressure effects at all as gaijin broke it’s code. I have seldom successfully overpressured anything with M409A1, meanwhile I’ve nuked more vehicles with M657A2 compared to any other non 155mm artillery HE round.
Ditto.
That and even if you consider it inferior, why would you not add it as an option to begin with. US 37mm guns have HE rounds, they fail to kill almost everything, yet they are still there as an option, why not here too.
76mm are not “mini caliber”.
I think those are fair points, may I offer a disagreement with justification.
It might be Nostalgia but to me at least the MBT-70 and the T-64A are the benchmarks for what 9.3 should be.
In my opinion, the MBT-70 is one of the most capable vehicles and firing platforms in the game and that is compared to any other MBT. I think it’s an excellent vehicle that is only held back by it’s firepower.
That said the T-64A is in many respects the opposite side of the Coin, excellent firepower, with ‘serviceable’ to less than average mobility with a combination of protection and a low profile for surviveability.
People talk about compression a fair bit, but I think there’s a few tanks that could site at 10.7 before moving the MBT/KPZ
I think you mean KPZ-70, not the MBT-70.
I don’t think so, I have both the MBT-70 and the KPZ-70 and they both work identically for me. As far as I’m concerned they are the same vehicle.
The T-10M can solo the Object if you load the APDS/HEATFS beforehand, I got killed a few times when I underestimated it lol same situation the IS-7 wouldn’t have been able to do anything unless it found turret ring gap or land the capula shot, BUT I do however find the biggest problem the T-10M having is the reload timer, which ultimately result in its current predicament, but if we lowering it to 8.0 then it will be a bully full downtier, so what I really hope is they reduce the reload timer to 12.5s ACE and keep it at 8.3, its a no brainer to be 8.3 when its armor barely work and everything it faces can fire twice as many rounds and they have a much higher angle-pen minus the post-pen damage.
And oh, regarding the Object 279, you will have to play it and you will change your mind lol it’s not as OP as everybody thinks, only people who never played it say such a thing. And I DO hope you get it because you and I both hate CAS, and seems like they’ve fixed the bomb resistance and I took around 7-8 and for the past two days and didn’ die, it’s so back bro.
HEAT/APDS won’t oneshot the 279 and it will get its gunner back before the T-10M reloads.
And if you don’t the T-10M will never be able to kill you.
The reload should be like 10s. Currently it’s one of the most frustrating tanks to play if you face anyone that has a brain.
Sure you’ll oneshot if you pen but you also get oneshot yourself thanks to the terrible crew layout.
I wish I did the fucking event during covid. This and the AGS are the only event vehicles I really want but I hated high tier at that time so I didn’t bother. Sadly no way to get them nowadays.
Idk about that. There were quite a lot of vehicles that play exactly like you think they will and so far I’ve rarely had my opinion on them change after getting said tank/aircraft.
The bomb resistance seems fairly inconsistent now tbh. Died to some tiny bombs that landed next to my IS-4 while in other matches you can survive a 4000lbs bomb to your face. I think if the code has a retard moment it counts the low roof/hull floor instead of the thick front/side armor.
You are very wrong.
Well, at least you aren’t from some third-world s-hole country lol a few hundred bucks doesn’t seem to far fetched at all, just treat it as you buy an android mobile phone
Please explain
Their APFSDS is practically microscopic e.g… HSTV-L, Rooikat Mk.1D VCC 80/60