It’s a good vehicle, and now it’s going to be even better since a lot of the tougher opponents you’d face in an uptier are moving up by 0.3, effectively making them rarer to fight against, or completely removing them from the match-maker entirely.
The small differences between the MBT70 and KPZ70 do not make one of them terrible and one pretty good.
The 20mm also extremely effective against first spawn helicopters and could reliably defend itself against CAS that dive to shoot mg/rockets, because this thing could reverse as quickly as moving forward, only thing that feels a bit underwhelming is the apfsds.
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1.5s reload difference makes a lot of difference.
7.5s makes you the slowest reloading vehicle out of every single 9.3.
Think about it, even the T-64s / T-72s out-reload you (7.1s reload). And for what? A mediocre round?
6.7s is average - most 9.3 vehicles reload at this rate.
6.0s reload is very good for 9.3.
And the better reload isn’t the only thing that makes the KPZ-70 different to the MBT-70.
The KPZ-70 has a better engine (albeit marginal). So it has a hp/ton of 29.01 instead of 28.53.
The KPZ-70 also gets a lot more smoke grenades (16 instead of 8), and drops them by 2 instead of 4. So you get 8 pops of smoke with the KPZ-70, while you only get 2 pops of smoke with the MBT-70 (albeit the pops of smoke on the MBT-70 are larger since you use 4 instead of 2).
All these differences definitely sums up to a reasonable 0.3 BR difference.
Not enough to call one bad and one pretty good. My fights aren’t often decided by reload rate.
They don’t sum up to a 0.3 difference with the current levels of BR compression. It would if they decompressed more than what they’re doing.
So you think the slightly better engine and the 20mm that the MBT-70 gets should warrant a 0.3 BR difference between it and the XM803?
And reload rate often can decide between whether you die or not, and whether you can get a number of kills in one go.
Now that the 2K is being moved up to 10.0, and so is pretty much everything else at 10.0+, it’s a good time to move the KPZ-70 to a BR where it doesn’t make the MBT-70 largely inferior.
I am personally undecided. The engine difference is much greater here and the 20mm does have a lot of utility.
It can but it usually doesn’t for me. Far more often it’s other stuff.
I wouldn’t be so opposed to moving these tanks up if they fixed the dart but that isn’t going to happen because gaijin
I wouldn’t be vouching for the KPZ-70 to move up to 9.7 if the BR changes didn’t move up pretty much everything it used to face in an uptier. If it went to 9.7, it would just face the same things as it does now, albeit it would now be at the same BR as the T-64B and Merkava Mk.2D (which its mobility had been nerfed).
The Merkavas can be penned through the UFP either way, and the T-64B doesn’t pose much of a difference to the regular T-64A for the KPZ-70 (other than the LRF and the ERA LFP). The KPZ-70 must still play the same way against it as it does with the T-64A.
T-64B has better FCS and better sight zoom, which makes targeting so much easier and quicker, the zoom level of the T-64A and T-72A is just downright horrible lol I was literally pixel hunting at enemy >1km
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I don’t see how not facing as bad of an uptier makes it OP at its current BR now tho
It’s not that, it’s that the MBT-70 shouldn’t go down in BR, and it shouldn’t be the same BR as the KPZ-70. The KPZ-70 will do fine at 9.7 now.
Lol what. It gets a much better hull, a LRF, goofy ERA that sometimes keeps you alive and the Mango round is a huge improvement over anything the T-64A gets.
At least in AB I find both to be pretty damn capable when facing them, especially when they are in a downtier.
I dont think they need to go down there.
You don’t understand. The KPZ-70 cannot pen the T-64A’s UFP / turret cheeks regardless of the ERA. The only difference is the extra (CONTACT-1) ERA on the side, which is only worth about 5mm of KE, the extra ERA on the LFP (which can sometimes be trolly and cause a non-pen), and the optics that the T-64B gets.
The T-64A can pen the KPZ-70 pretty much anywhere, so 3BM42 doesn’t make the T-64B any more deadly than it already was against it.
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I just want the sheridan / M60A2 152mm HE for both tanks, the sabot does nothing and the ATGM and HEAT are jokes, but that HE with a LRF sounds really fun, especially with the superior reload and mobility of these tanks compared to the M60A2.
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I’m not too sure how op that would be though, lol.
But at the same time, it’s only 38mm worth of pen.
Both tanks are far too good to move down any lower, but at 9.3 or higher, are mostly just food for 10.3. Decompression, is as almost always, the solution.
I would add, the MBT/KPZ could move up, but only IF:
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The dart had its proper performance
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Shillelagh had proper maneuverability and didnt slam into the ground after launch.
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The 20mm HVAP had its historical performance.
All of these could easily justify an uptier, ESPECIALLY the drastic difference in performance of the 20mm vs. Reality (German, Soviet, American documention all agree on this)
The mbt should stay at 9.3 with the br changes that are occuring. It fits in with early to middle coldwar era mbts. If they move it to 9.7 then it will have the upteir issues it currently has.
Don’t think it would be OP at all given how hit or miss HE is, but its a usable amount of filler so it would be a fun other option.
The tanks were already at this BR before either of these nerfs occurred and were fine balance wise, there is no reason they would not still be balanced given other vastly superior options now exist in their BR range.
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