Both tanks are far too good to move down any lower, but at 9.3 or higher, are mostly just food for 10.3. Decompression, is as almost always, the solution.
I would add, the MBT/KPZ could move up, but only IF:
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The dart had its proper performance
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Shillelagh had proper maneuverability and didnt slam into the ground after launch.
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The 20mm HVAP had its historical performance.
All of these could easily justify an uptier, ESPECIALLY the drastic difference in performance of the 20mm vs. Reality (German, Soviet, American documention all agree on this)
The mbt should stay at 9.3 with the br changes that are occuring. It fits in with early to middle coldwar era mbts. If they move it to 9.7 then it will have the upteir issues it currently has.
Don’t think it would be OP at all given how hit or miss HE is, but its a usable amount of filler so it would be a fun other option.
The tanks were already at this BR before either of these nerfs occurred and were fine balance wise, there is no reason they would not still be balanced given other vastly superior options now exist in their BR range.
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Again, I am saying the MBT-70 and XM803 should both stay at the BRs that they are at. The KPZ-70 should go to 9.7.
I just want em fixed, ESPECIALLY if they get moved up.
the armor is reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad
Understandable, I’d like them fixed and not moved up.
That or at least for gaijin to give them the HE because HE slingers are memes and I love slinging explosive bricks at people and accidentally killing them when it hits something that I was not aiming at.
Better armour than the Leopard 1a5. xD
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The LRF is a huge improvement and 3BM42 dors nore reliable spalling than 3BM22.
Doesn’t the MBT-70 series get the 152mm HEAT the Starship gets? If yes you can use that shell as it can act as HEAT and also overpressure about the same as the HE (38mm vs 37mm). The only disadvantage compared to HE are the bad ricochet angles.
I guess. You could even add that the T-64B has better optics than the regular one too.
I think the KPZ-70 should still move up to 9.7, albeit I still believe the 9.7-12.0 area is still too compressed to really give them their proper BRs.
The optics aren’t that bad but having no LRF is a big disadvantage.
Same BR as the MBT-70 makes no sense. 7,5s vs 6,0s reload should be enough to uptier it to 9.7 but 0.7BR difference between the XM-803 and KPZ-70 feels weird too. It only gains a 20mm, a bit more mobility and a shorter reload.
T-10M (8.3) / Object-279 (9.0)
Tiger 1E (6.0) / Tiger 2H (6.7)
IS-6 (7.7) / IS-7 (8.3)
Centurion Mk1 (6.0) / Centurion Mk2 (6.7)
The tanks that can be compared to each other also only have a 0.7 difference. They should be at least 1.0 apart but they aren’t.
There are also some 0.3 gaps that have a bigger performance difference than the XM-803 and KPZ-70.
KV-1 Zis5 (4.7) / KV-1C (5.0)
IS-1 (5.7) / KV-220 (6.0)
M4A3E2 (6.3) / T26E5 (6.7)
Churchill Mk1 (3.3) / Sherman 3/4 (3.7)
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I guess so.
I agree with most things you say here.
However, some of them, like the M4A3E2 (76W) and T26E5, have different playstyles that make them reasonablely good at their own BR.
I don’t think the IS-7 is particularly OP. It’s definitely better than the IS-6, but at 8.3, it faces a lot of HEATFS / APDS that makes the armour somewhat unreliable. On the other hand, it gets a 10.0s reload,(which is very good for the round it shoots), and a much better round.
True but that doesn’t mean should be that close in BR.
I’m not saying it’s op but compared to the IS-6 it’s better at everything so these shouldn’t be separated by only 0.7 when the KPZ-70 is also 0.7 higher than the XM-803.
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In some instances, I’d take the Jumbo 76, in others, I’d take the Jumbo Pershing. With that being said, the Jumbo is still a lower BR - albiet maybe not as far apart as they should. Jumbo 76 is not inferior to the Jumbo Pershing in every way, just a decent number, unlike the Cent Mk.1 vs Cent Mk.2.
MBT-70 is 0.3 higher than XM-803?
Admittedly these 2 might not have been the best examples.
They would be 0.7 apart if the KPZ-70 moves to 9.7.
Yes, but you stated that the MBT-70 would, not the KPZ-70.
I meant the KPZ-70. Corrected the spelling error.
That’s fine
Do not quote “bad spalling” at the tanks which have the worst spalling non mini-caliber dart in the game.
I have yet to encounter a round in game which spalls as little as the XM578E1, the 3BM22 and 3BM42 are so incredibly better spall wise its not even a contest.
4.3kg of HE vs 3.73kg and the HEAT for the longest time lacked overpressure, same with the MGM-51.
Said HE is vastly more reliable at over pressuring targets after my time using both.