They are doing it to themselves by not spacing out all BRs enough. Even Rank 1 is horribly cramped once you take a step back to notice.
Artificially gimping the postpen of HEAT, APCR, HEATFS, smaller APDS, smaller APFSDS, HESH, and partially also HE is being used as a lame excuse “it can’t be balanced.”
The Maus can be balanced, if they stop gimping all the things that would and should easily kill it. All of those got neutered to cater to whales buying IS-6s years ago (APCR was neutered long before the IS-6 existed, and big HE didn’t have overpressure), the Maus was an unintended beneficiary of the changes meant to service those people. Now top tier has moved well beyond the IS-6, so there is no longer an excuse to leave all those rounds in such a state.
First, quit being a toxic b####, 2nd i was giving an example that Maus at 7.3 in down tiers will face enemies that got no chance at killing him because at 7.3 you face 6.3-8.3, simple math, 2nd all those tanks you listen either got a cupola or can be penned with APCR, and even then someone might put a 6.3 plane into their 6.0 line up (e.g. new players) and what will they see in uptier? and Maus that slams everything
Why? It’s balanced at 7.7. Between 2023 and now I can’t remember a time when the Maus was either too weak or too strong.
The T95 is also in the tech tree. It’s even slower than the Maus, and turretless. It’s also at a BR where additions of new vehicles are frequent. So what makes the T95 easy to balance while the Maus is impossible?
I am saying to un-nerf APCR (nearly all rounds of this type are lacking much of their armor penetration, and all are severely lacking in postpen despite comparative testing of 90mm AP vs 90mm APCR showing no real difference in spalling), APDS (same story), HEAT(FS) (it’s not a literal laser beam - it starts to splatter outwards as soon as its in the tank with no explosive force or armor to contain it), HESH (completely FUBAR), and big HE (kinetic and explosive pen do not stack and overpressure is unreliable).
76mm M93 should pen 248mm and spall as well as 76mm AP.
90mm M304 should pen 317mm and spall as well as 90mm AP.
90mm M332, M332A1, and T44 (long 90) should pen 390, 425, and 373mm, respectively, also with postpen like a 90mm solid round.
105mm T29E3 should pen 381mm and spall like the solid AP does. We currently lack T29E4 APCR with 450mm pen.
120mm T17E1 should pen 453mm and spall as well as 120mm solid AP.
20-pdr APDS pens correctly but the postpen is horrifically gimped still.
I’ve been around these parts for years, and have grown tired of Jumbos being the go-to reason that [insert any example of overtiered target practice heavy armor] cannot decrease in BR. Hence my comment.
The world does not revolve around the Jumbo fucking Sherman - that thing should be reclassed as a medium to get it through peoples’ thick skulls that it’s not really meant to do the same things as a true heavy. It’s more a “trolly armor with good mobility for all that armor” in the same way the T-44/85 is.
You don’t need to explain to me that heavies are BR sensitive, I’m familiar with the concept. At 7.7 the Maus is at a BR that allows it to be competitive but where there are many counters to it. It works fine. It’s already balanced.
I don’t care about whether you think the Tutel is good or bad, I’m asking a completely different question. If superheavies are impossible to balance, why is the T95 still in the tech tree and not available every year like the Maus?
Hint - maybe it’s because it’s untrue that you can’t balance superheavies.
Different people have different classifications of “balance.”
In my book, the Churchill Mk VII should be the textbook example of how to balance a superheavy. You place it where it is frontally immune to nearly all guns it encounters save for specialized TDs or derp HE, because it has no mobility (and therefore no flexibility) to adjust its position when it runs into something the armor fails at stopping. Firepower is irrelevant if your gunner/breech/barrel are taken out before you can get your gun on target. If you luck out and side shoot someone, cool, you just did something a medium with three times the mobility and faster RoF could have done 10min ago before two of your teammates died to that guy.
the Mk 7 aint imune to anything frontally
Its legit buns
Slow,its from UK so we know the story about lacking firepower,it doesnt really have that much armor since it has big ass weakspots
The only time i managed to do something in it (Which wasnt even a good game in my definition) was when i angled that shit box from a very long range (which btw,its not the case for most maps at that BR bracket)
It stops German long 75s, but yes a lot of platforms with stronger guns are unfortunately sitting at the exact same BR, and on city maps even things like the Chi-To or T-34/57 can frontally cut through.
If something is below a certain level of mobility, it should intentionally be frontally immortal or it is completely and totally worthless.
Most city maps don’t give you the choice not to tank rounds, and the gun optics are bad enough that you can’t reliably weak spot hunt at ranges where they can’t barrel or cupola you.
The only way this affects balance is spawn point cost. Sorry, I am very sceptical that a difference of 30 spawn points is the reason why the Tutel can be in the tech tree and the Maus cannot.
War Thunder’s TD designation for the vehicle is incorrect - it was historically a superheavy breakthrough tank, not a TD - but I can see why they would want to use that designation in the game. But it has no bearing in this discussion.
In both instances we are talking about extremely well armoured but slow mobile bunkers with excellent guns.
If one can be in the TT, so can the other.
Germany has very thin lineups between 7.0 and 7.7 (included) for obvious historical reasons. The Maus definitely pads it up. It’s not like German 7.7 is overcrowded.
Very true - I was against the Maus removal in the first place. I saw long ago that their claim of “its unbalanceable” was complete and total hogwash manufactured by years of half-baked Soviet wet dream APCR, APDS, HEAT, and HESH nerfs.
When I played Maus even when I get downtier once in a blue moon, I get bombed by this premium a2d, then some artillery just overpressure me through landing their shell near the breech area and they added a lot of 155mm for the past two years lol heavy tank used to have meaningful armor now it’s become their former self. It’s still frontally immune to most apcbc round before T-10M shows up when turn the turret away from them, but you already trade your speed for armor, like the T95 who else gonna play it if it gets pop’d so easily by everything and having 14kph top speed? No one will play them unless they are fools
