I saw this topic when it posted, and I didn’t want to post right away.
In full downtiers, most 6.7s can deal with you if they play smart.
On-BR, the Maus resists almost all tanks when angling.
And on higher BRs, the Maus still resists many munitions fired at it at angles.
It’s overall a balanced heavy tank.
I’d just prevent it from going to 8.7, hell, even 8.3. 8.7 is completely unplayable and 8.3 is just some heavy BDSM (Badly Damaged Sad Maus) experience
Against 6.7 its extreamly strong
If u dont have more then 230 pen (which is very common on 6.7 especially for usa) and u face the maus u are coocked
There are still some nasty 8.7s [Centurions], but as of now I believe most aren’t uniquely dangerous.
The HEATFS slingers that give IS-4M issues are coincidentally less useful against Maus.
At the end of the day, you’re supposed to leave big threats to your team’s own top dogs, and support them.
Honestly I completely disagree. There is nothing wrong with the balance of the Maus at 7.7 right now. It’s a very situational vehicle that requires you to adapt your playstyle and will either do very well or very poorly depending on the conditions. I see nothing intrinsically harder about balancing a Maus than balancing a T95, a tech tree vehicle which is also in one of the most played ground trees in the game.
They just got carried away when they were modifying the late war German tech tree six years ago, and now it stays as an anniversary vehicle out of tradition and MMO logic, imho.
I know from personal experience that it is not. The Maus is more map dependent than BR dependent. Everything you meet in a full uptier that can pen you, you can also pen back. And you get the overpressure APHE. You also have six crew and plenty of empty room inside, so if you take the right amount of ammo, you are very hard to kill anyway.
And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, you have the coax! It eats BMPs like snacks. It kills gunners in T-54s sometimes (I feel like it really shouldn’t but whatever). You can track and barrel every 5 seconds, and fire smoke in people’s faces.
you will suffer even if it would be put to 7.0 as it still gets to big maps.
Maus should not be lowered any further as it will make suffer even more tanks from lower BRs. Maus is literally undestructable when plays against low br guys (except it gets bonked with 155 HEs which still exist at 6.3-7.3)
And maus is…
That’s the main difference, Maus is better at sucking low caliber heat, while is-4 (being a volumetric hell) is better at tanking anything with discarding sabot.
Uptier mouse is better, because SPAA starts getting stronger and less CAS degens within 8.3 - 9.3 so mouse getting bombed less. I’m also more ok with it dying to enemy tanks even when it’s by apfsds or heatfs.
btw you suggesting that Maus should face Jumbo?
Ahh, here is the species known as “WAAAAAH BUT MUH JUMBOOOOO!”
The world doesn’t revolve around the goddamn Jumbo.
I could not give a flying rat’s ass if a Maus runs into a Jumbo 76 - if someone is dumb enough to spawn that in a 7.3 game, they deserve to be target practice for many different opponents, even though the Jumbo already pretty much is such even in a full downtier.
I frankly think the Maus is 7.0-worthy, same with the IS-4M. The IS-3, T95, Ho-Ri Production, and Object 268 are all 6.7-grade. The Ferdinand, Tortoise, T28, and Ho-Ri Prototype are 5.7-6.0 material at best.
The KT105, meanwhile, is for all intents and purposes better than the Maus in most respects, as are the T29 and T34. I’d argue all of them should be 7.3 minimum alongside the T32. All of these heavies can actually get out of their own way, much as the IS-6, T-10A, AMX-50 Surbaisse, AMX-50 Surblinde, and TD AMX-50 Foch can do. People claim the T32s are slow, but I strongly disagree - once I spaded them (a chore much like the Pershing it feels similar to) they accelerated and maneuvered quite well despite the low-ish top speed.
You cant disagree from the truth
The more stuff they add the harder its for them to balance everything else around it
Maus got changed a lot of times cause of it too btw,i dont know if you remember
The Maus is arguably much better protected in that department as well. I’ve lost count of how many people took out my 128mm and rushed me, forgetting that the coax exists, and getting tracked in the open.
In any case, even when terrain etc make barreling a Tutel more difficult, there are tools to deal with it. CAS, but also ground vehicles - any HE slinger, or vehicles like the JPz 4-5. Same is true for the Maus at a higher BR. I don’t understand what supposedly makes the Maus unbalanceable that doesn’t also apply to the Tutel.
Incidentally, cupola shots with Jagdtiger used to take out T95s, but lately I’ve not really gotten results with them - I wonder if something’s changed or if I’m doing something wrong after spending some time away from that BR range.
What truth? The fact that they said it couldn’t be balanced doesn’t make it true.
That’s never stopped them from adding more and more vehicles.
If anything, the proliferation of high calibre HE makes superheavies easier to balance than ever before.
It is why SU-152s were “beast killers” against Tigers. Even if overpressure is wonky and unrealistic at times, it also achieves indirect realism effects.
(Funny anecdote: the Jagdtiger’s HE round can destroy a T-10M if it hits the cupola, lol)
When they say “It cant be balanced” means that every single time they add stuff they struggle to relocate the big ass town moving at 4 kmh in that BR bracket
“It cant be balanced” doesnt mean they dont want to…
I dont know what you dont understand
its ok at 7.7…
Wait a bunch of time and BR decompression will hit everything again and Maus once again will be hard to relocate
by not having counters to it youre literally saying “Make the MAUS overperform in a br bracket where no one can pen it”
Do you even hear yourself?
First, quit being a toxic b####, 2nd i was giving an example that Maus at 7.3 in down tiers will face enemies that got no chance at killing him because at 7.3 you face 6.3-8.3, simple math, 2nd all those tanks you listen either got a cupola or can be penned with APCR, and even then someone might put a 6.3 plane into their 6.0 line up (e.g. new players) and what will they see in uptier? and Maus that slams everything
Why? It’s balanced at 7.7. Between 2023 and now I can’t remember a time when the Maus was either too weak or too strong.
The T95 is also in the tech tree. It’s even slower than the Maus, and turretless. It’s also at a BR where additions of new vehicles are frequent. So what makes the T95 easy to balance while the Maus is impossible?
T95 its legit garbage
T95 its even in a worse situation than the Maus
T95 its one of those vehicles that has been forgotten by the devs
