As Kir said. Tranche becomes entirely meaningless after T2.
British T2s will have Mk2 and PIRATE and there is nothing being added as part of P4E that wont be added to exisitng airframes from what I understand.
Yeah at least the AESA EFT is a flat out upgrade over the previous EFTs, you can argue that the F-15C GE is a sidegrade or even a downgrade over the F-15C MSIP because of the BR increase.
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I think they could give us a research discount or something for now, since it lacks those distinguishing features (idk like a 30-40% RP reduction if you already have a spaded eurofighter)
Well it doesnt become meaningsless. The german t4’s will most likely have the mk.2 and pirate that their t2 and t3 dont have.
Maybe, not something they’ve ever done before though. For now, im just gunna stick with arguing for a few new features
Actually, are they still getting Mk2s? I thought the plan had changed to upgrade the Mk1s, so that it would have capabilities more in-line with the Mk2
Difficult to say. Hensoldt, who makes the Mk.1, advertises it with ±90 limits instead of the ±100 from the Mk.2, but there’s some indication that that’s only because ±90 is the full power zone and ±100 is reduced power.
The Mk.2 is focused on EW from the outset, but the Mk.1 is being retrofitted for it as well (Mk.2 should still be better at it). Mk.1 also uses only GaN TRMs while Mk.2 uses a mix of GaN & GaAs, meaning that Mk.1 potentially has higher power output & range, but we’d need exact TRM counts and makeup to judge that accurately.
Hensoldt also advetises UHQ SAR for the Mk.1, meaning it can identify ground targets the same way some Radars do air targets currently. If Mk.2 can do that as will idk, I haven’t seen it advertised as such at least
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I believe the written plan is for the Mk. 1. But there is no way the german MoD would choose an inferior radar. So i think they’re going to be the mk.2 when they get delivered in 2030+ but i might be wrong.
It has yes. That’ll be Mk.1 Step 2. AFAIK there’s also no plans to roll out pirate for more airframes currently
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i’ts over 5 years into the future, and they will get the T5. It wouldnt surprise me if the had the mk.2 and Pirate being a tranche 5 which is the newest of the newest also with the f35 type cockpit
You don’t know our MoD well enough then. We wanted to use AN/APG-65 for the EFT even. We also don’t have PIRATE for cost reasons as well. They cut some really odd corners.
Hell, we don’t even have a stockpile of spare parts anymore and have outsourced some of our maintenance to cut costs
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I come home from work to see another damn su30 prem? its joever
“We will never introduce top tier premiums”
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Germany trying to die on that hill for that radar was hilarious
luftwaffe! Notoriously underfunded for more than half a century! XD
“well anyway heres a literal slightly lower su30”
Yeah, our 90s MoD was… special
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Also, where kh59 for my SM, couldnt care less if the russians didnt fit it on theirs
“kh-59 is just a gimmick” -Smin 2025
It’s literally way better than all mavericks
didnt Smin say about anything added was a gimmick