The J-20 is literally based on the J-8 series of aircraft.
It has nothing to do with F-22.
The FC-31 is a copy of literally nothing… computer models of stealth don’t copy things, they generate geometry.
Yeah and the F-22 is based on the F-4, also the Type 56 rifle is completely original
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Those values are total crap tbh.
They are most likely the lowest achievable values under extremely specific angles.
Not to mention no band was mentioned, as RCS changes a lot with frequency.
It’s like showing the photo of a rainbow, and saying the photo is red, cherry picking in simple terms.
This doesn’t help the fact that CIA themselves have said in their unclassifies files that they deliberately do “leaks” of RCS regarding b2 in the past to prevent soviets from acquiring them in real leaks.
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Those are probably the higher side values to trick people into thinking like you when it’s actually lower from front fr
It’s probably at whatever band fighter radars are usually on
Wasn’t there some story, not sure if true, when the designers were testing the stealth capabilities on a test stand, they had to go out and check if it was actually there because the readings were so low?
Wasn’t sure if that was the F-22 or some other aircraft but I found that funny
I heard a similar story involving a bird and a bird size shape on the radar screen…I think it was for the F-117
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That simulation is by innacurate for su57, it was redone by stealthflanker (who helped in that simulation too)
MBB lampyridae my beloved. I will never forgive the Americans for killing of that project
Point is, those values are crap and not reliable
Simulations show it must have a higher value, which might matter more for devs
At this point i really believe people just post that “101page” bad analysis just to make the Su-57 look bad. No way people hasn’t hear of Stealthflanker when he is active in literally every aviation forum. And its very active on X.
This is one of the newer comparations he has made. Idk if this is with the Su-57 update model.
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People will stick to their completely outdated arguments to “prove” su57 isn’t stealth.
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exactly, most people know him as the greatest flanker gooner to live
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Get ready for the mountain of people complaining that the Su-57 being remotely stealthy compared to the F-22 lol
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it already begun with the leaks…
The problem of the Su-57 is that every screw and rivet (the head works like a radar reflector) and every gap increases the radar return (straight gaps especially). The return of these gets stronger the higher the frequency/the shorter the wavelength. That’s why planes like the F-22/35 have nearly zero visible screws or rivets and the tolerance of gaps is reduced to a minimum while having saw-tooth corners to reflect incoming radar waves into a different direction and not directly back to the radar they’re coming from.
On the picture below you can see the many screws on the Su-57 wing and body and the rather wide and straight gaps of the weapons bay under the fuselage. The sensors (pitot pipes, etc.) around the nose add to the radar signature too as do the bubble or ball formed IR-sensors. The reason the IRST on the F-35 is square is to reflect radar waves into a different direction while a bubble/ball formed spreads them everywhere → some return to the radar.
Additionally the Su-57 seems to lack a radar reflective coating on its cockpit? Don’t know if it’s just transparent or not especially visible here. The radar return of the cockpit interior is quite large as there are many angles and corners, which is also the reason the F-16 got its golden radar-reflective coating for the cockpit glass on later versions.
And physically the Su-57 is much larger than the F-35 (over 4 meters longer, over 2 meters more wingspan and 0,3 meters higher). So alone from these basic rules of stealth techniques and the physical size difference the Su-57 has to have a bigger radar signature than the F-35 by no small margin.
This is me just talking about the stealth techniques and stuff that increases or decreases direct radar return of airplanes. I am not trying to talk bad about a plane because I’m playing favourites. Just listing stuff/differences between the planes and their impact on radar signature based on basic knowlede of radar signatures while comparing the two planes.
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screw head argument in 2025 bro…
you are not wrong here, but the thing is, objects smaller than its wavelength has negligible return. X band wavelength have a wavelength of 3 - 4cm, while screw heads are usually 2cm in diameter.
Thats why screw heads dont matter much against aircraft radars
Its like putting a white pixel in a 1080p video and watching it at 240p.
also even F-22 has a lot of exposed screws
Fun fact, that is NOT a su-57, thats a T-50 (old su57 prototype). production variant of Su-57 are much cleaner with barely any screws, and if any, properly flushed.
It rotates backward when not in use, which is covered in a thick layer of RAM. This has advantage over the faceted systems on F-35 which have reflective surfaces, not to mention the abrupt angle changes will also give diffraction return.
It does have one, its absorbing than reflective afaik.
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Given that articulating vehicles, EldE 98 ie. is now confirmed, and separate vehicles are here too, surely this means the devs will take another look at my suggestion for the LVAKAN FM 1, 18.5km of 120mm auto cannon AAA glory, 80 RPM, perfect for lower tier.
When is something ready?
Game isnt ready for fox 3, game isnt ready for eurofighter.
Game isnt ready for anything and yet it always comes and it is always fine in certain ways, sure we need to adapt.
But in the end it works out.
It wont ever be ready if you don’t dare to take a next step.
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So you’re telling me, I may actually be able to see the addition of CATTB soon?