It should relate to penetration all too much, drag will relate to it losing energy in the air, as that’s what drag is. The damage values done post pen will remain the same, as they’re in the files and would have been datamines if so I believe. What changes is how fast it loses speed in the air, its time to target, and the amount of energy it will have when it reaches the target. Everything after that is pretty much unrelated to this stat.
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In short, they further weakened a tank whose firepower was already underwhelming.
Id not consider a Leopard 2 in any way “weak” at the moment
dont forget the Su-27 and Mig-29
if we want to get the su-30 fm changed we need to get the Su-27 fm changed, which is a way more reasonable task
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Based on what the datamines read, it’s actually better at close ranges now, but the capabilities of the round fall of a bit faster than it used to at long ranges. A tradeoff if you will, and given the close engagements in War Thunder, it’s really a buff.
(Wait I may be misreading this, did it have improved KE pen like DM33 105?)
2 questions:
- Are the issues with the Flanker fm the lift and the Oswald factor (?) or more than that?
- Are there bug reports open/closed on them? (this is mainly because I’m new to flankers, haven’t followed the bug reporting history)
I get that everything looks strong if you compare it to the Challenger (I can smell you from a mile away, lol)
But compared to the 2A5, the 2PL just doesnt fit. Its armor isnt as strong as the 2A5, it has a huge weak spot on the turret, and it doesnt even have spall liners. Its APFSDS is much weaker than the 2A5, in fact, its generally pretty weak for its BR. The 2A4M has KE-W.
BR 11.7 always gets dragged into a top tier thats usually very broken. The solution? Many of us have been asking for a while to give the 2PL the DM53 and move it up to 12.0. Anyway, it always plays at 12.0, its only alignment at 11.7 is if you buy the canadian Leopard.
I dont have that data
gszabi only mentions changes to the drag coefficient.
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from my understanding that is correct, but reporting the oswald factor dosent work bc that is a datamined value and gaijin dosent accept that
the missing lift is really apperent when you are comparing the WT Su-30 with an airshow
( the ingame Su-30 isnt able to perform some of the manouvers even if it were at 30 seconds of fuel)
it boils down to the flanker missing lift at slow speeds/ high aoa, but it is overperforming in sustained turn rate at higher speeds
i think ppl have just given up because gaijin was dismissing the Su-27SK manual before
these are reports i could find
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/uzOvflrZg7em
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/U209JJp8UNJs
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Damn, first report isn’t even labelled
They should just model all 5th gens with the same exact RCS to avoid issues, since they’re not going to be accurate anyways.
It’s a game not real life
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b-but then they cant sell OP variants of them tho :(((((
honestly, its hard to say
its trm count is a bit low, 1500~ trm which might struggle, yes TRM isnt everything but you cant stress your trm to output a lot of power in comparision to that
But again, that was with a extremely old prototypes, its been like 15 years for that, or around 10 years till it came into service. much couldve changed
And with su-57m1, a newer radar suite is coming
L band would be TOO OP if gaijin models it correctly (they wont, seeing current state of flanker fms)
to be brutally honest, idc what rcs it gets, it should atleast have the best fm.
whats so special about it? it can see stealth from farther but worse quality track.
which doesnt matter because all you gotta do is help the missile go into the general direction of the target acquire it with its own radar
wouldnt a worse quality track make it easier to use countermeasures against it and easier to jam should we get ECM?
anyways how trustworthy even is stealthflanker? look at real world combat and its clear what fighters are on top
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is what they’re going with
Personally I hope we get at least a bit of variation to the point where there’s representation for some of the late 4th gen aircraft with limited RCS reduction.
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the f-22 which shoot down a ballon?
yeah, like difference between F-35 and F-22 and other things
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the F-35 which dismantles modern air defence networks? the cold war vintage F-16’s that shot down Su-35? the Su-57 which has not gained air superiority?