Major Update "Leviathans" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

its point seems to be mixing up air combat in general with a dogfight, but AI isnt perfect

I think its classifying “Any form of A2A combat” as “dogfighting”

Read the description after the F35 sounds more like its referring to BVR

2 Likes

read above

1 Like

I think it puts dogfighting under all air combat as well but it’s kinda like what some people do in real life

ah yes Faceted stealth aircraft like the peak stealth design was a diamond.




image

Bonus image: The wacky concept Testor’s Models came up with and called the “Mig 37”
image
image

Modernday stealthfighter look similar because they are all built to have minimum return and visibility on the Radar and IR spectrum.
all meant to delay the detection as much as possible.

3 Likes

Yeah and in a modern IRL combat context. Few fights will use guns or even IR missiles.

1 Like

yep that just shows it once again and also depends on the AI used

for example deepseek gave me this wall of text:

Spoiler

image

you might get better results when specifing WVR combat instead of dogfighting tho

2 Likes

Yeah this is the best response i’ve seen:

damn i didnt think it was actually readable

1 Like

it outright lies about JHMCS on the raptor

it also says the F-15EX is older than the F-22…

the raptor got the the HMD tho , only recently but it did

depends on how you interpret the sentece imo

it is possible to interpret it like you did
but i personally would read the sentece more like it means that the F-15 in general is older than the F-22 and not the EX, especially because it talks about the F-15 in general in the sentece before

It said “while older than the F-22, the latest EX variant…” So it is referring to the EX pretty clearly

Also JHMCS is physically incompatible with the F-22, trust me if they could it would’ve been done years ago

I don’t think it’s that specific, it 's an indication that the next naval reward could be Japanese atleast.
Or that JPN bluewater will get a new top premium pack sooner rather than later, in the updates following the current one.

if you need to notch more than 5 missiles (normal in a top tier game) while also having to preflare ir missiles, those cms will run out quick. Also, canards don’t matter whatsoever, as you can see in the su-33/su-30 FM being the basically same as the normal su-27, just heavier.
edit* okay looks like the fm is actually different due to the canards but because its still going to be much heavier than the normal 27 it’s going to have less aoa in actual games

that is wrong su-33 has more avaiable aoa than a su-27 with the same weight

su-27 weight adjusted so that it is the same as the su-33

okay I’m ngl i never actually checked, but just from flying the 2 flankers in game the su-27 definitely feels like it has more aoa

It might not be that specific, but they do like to give out rewards that are vaguely related to the vehicle in question.
So I’d imagine that we’re either going to get our first submarine (God willing we won’t) or we’ll see Kitakami. Or they’ll really throw us for a loop and add another Matsu or something lol.
I also don’t think it has anything to do with the next top tier pack since it’ll be Nagato, and she has nothing to do with Kaiten torpedoes.

I really don’t know what else it could be used for if not for a naval event, presumably involving a somewhat popular torpedo cruiser.

what armament/cms would the yf-23 even get?
If i recall correctly, the prototype of it could not carry ir missiles at all, and only carried dummy amraams

No countermeasures afaik. And 4x amraam that internal bay was meant for

Which aircraft are we talking about? I was referring to F-2 which is 120 and they’re all single pop so just as good as say the F-15J(M) with 240 CMs.

Yes way, it’s that good lol. Unless you have thrust vectoring missiles, HMD is useless in a dogfight and more detrimental. The F-2 in particular does not have those kind of missiles so really it is not going to suffer without it. Vertical ACM is also only good to get that lock and get that auto-gun lead on deflection shots but if you’re aim is good you don’t even need it. In addition, the ACM is godlike because it’s just super fast and not buggy. It instantly locks anything that comes into view with zero delay.

But that’s the thing, it’s a ground RB plane that isn’t going to be able to get close enough to do anything without being spotted.

I think Gaijin will make up values for game balance just like they nerf and buff things all the time. I don’t expect reality. That being said, it was also leaked that Gaijin is working on stealth as a whole so who knows what they will end up with.

Plus there is some BR balance implications later down the line as some Gen 4.5s like EFT/Rafale/F-2/etc already have some stealth capabilities that aren’t modeled and if they do later, might be problematic

1 Like