Major Update "Leviathans" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

Sure, but my point was we didn’t see Eurofighter or Rafale added in HMDless versions, they frankensteined a HMD on there. This isn’t the F-2A where we can get a premium 13.3 F-22A with only AIM-7P and AIM-9L or something.

F-22A even without HMD would probably still rip up the matchmaker even with AIM-9M and AIM-120A/B but I don’t expect it to come without AIM-9X or AIM-120C-5 at the minimum. There’s basically no way they could nerf it more than this.

Their hands are basically tied on this matter.

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have you heard of the YF-22 perchance?

AIM-9M was its main service weapon for a good bit until the 9X was put on it, so no problem with that. same with an early model AIM-120C, they probably used those too

So if I bring up all the ignored Soviet bug reports, you will agree Soviets are intentionally nerfed to oblivion by Gaijin or is that not how it works for some mysterious reason?

AIM-9M is still really good and it can’t carry less potent weapons than ARH.

it absolutely will not be a premium because it can’t be lower than like 14.3

if they add the F-22 at like 14.7 or 15.0, they could do a YF-22 with nothing but pitbull amraam (dont even think it mounted a radar or countermeasures) at a much much lower BR

Very little of what you are saying is reasonable.

the YF-23 was also leaked

Which is a faster plane with more missiles.

And I will do the same with the Typhoon.

But Gaijin going from modeling them as normal CMs to then modeling them as 1/4 normal CMs 15 months later was clearly a deliberate action designed to reduce the effectiveness of BOL.

Inferring that there is deliberate nerfing just because they change something to what they think is more realistic and then fail to implement bug reports or otherwise talk about something…

They do this about literally everything, all the time. This isn’t even slightly unusual behaviour.

faster than the YF-22 in supercruise yes, but more missiles? any proof for that one?

Given the fact that BOL was already underperforming when they applied the nerf. Yes it was very much an intentional and deliberate nerf. There is no other way of justifying the change.

If it was incompetence then that is just even worse.

But there is no way they could genuinely believe that BOL being this weak was in anyway realistic

Yet they did split the Finnish Hornet into a early version without HMD&CAS and a late version with HMD&CAS.

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Eurofighter never had a Frankenstein HMD

Eurofighter since block 2B on the Tranche 1 has had striker

We have a Tranche 2 block 15

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And there is no reason why we couldnt get upgraded to Striker II at some point as well

Sometims you say funny things. I see you still don’t get it.

Yes but that is genuinely one of the worst planes in the game. YF-22/23 aren’t even remotely in that class of plane. I don’t think they’d do this now after so many HMD planes, unless it had poor performance in at least one regard.

Pardon my ignorance.

My point here is we don’t get HMDless versions of very powerful planes. Apologies to F-2A fans but it is just not at the level of F-22A or Eurofighter and chums.

so you admit the F-15A was not a powerful plane?

So we have BOL on Harrier Gr7, Viggen D, Tornado F3, etc etc no issues at all and then they just decide to reduce its effectiveness by 75+% just after the Gripen A/C was added and people were exploiting the hell out of them?

Doesnt that seem a little too much like a coincident to you?

No. it was 100% a deliberate an intentional nerf to BOL specifically to nerf the Gripen and they were too lazy to deal with the colleteral damage.

But you do say some really funny things, but its pretty clear you just dont understand the situation at all

All good

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So? Why doesnt every single US F-16 and F-15 has HMD because later variants have HMD?

F-2 should have HMD based upon the Rafale prescendence. But there is no reason why they couldnt add an F-22 (early) for 14.7 ish with 9Ms and Aim-120Cs and then a later F-22 with Aim-9X and Aim-120C8-Aim-120Ds.

Much like we didnt get a Typhoon FGR4 with ASRAAM and Aim-120C5s straight out the gate (the only A2A weapons it used prior to Meteor) and we’ll probably get a Typhoon FGR4 (late) with ASRAAM and Meteor at some point