You would regret getting the AMX-10P with Milan
The ATGM is placed in the worst spot imaginable
I forgot Japan also got a CAS equipped F-16 recently, thought it was the Gripen C for both.
I was comparing purely A2G performance/ CAS performance. If we are factoring in multirole performance/entire line-up then Soviets still take the lead because rarely do they have to deal with Pantsirs
Given the AGM-65s are tirival to defeat with Smoke but both AASM and KH-38s cannot be defeated with smoke easily. I would still place their carriers above any AGM-65 carrier.
Oh i know, but i have a duty to fulfill and only the Milan AMX will get me there
No, we wouldn’t. Having any IFV with ATGMs in the French tree is better than none.
worst to best, so top of the list is bad, bottom of the list is good.
I was just counting both as having the same top tier CAS, the Gripen C
Depends on the BR. At the rate we’re going with the AMX 10P it will be 7.0 before long lol
I agree that China CAS is bad, but they CAN generate similar capability ARH capable Fighter and Strike Fighter. It’s one of the only good things about them.
Yeah except Japan has 2 really good CAS jets at 12.7 so again how does sweden somehow end up even being close to Japan? Having 2 jets that are CAS capable with the ability to carry Fox 3 is a huge buff.
F-15 only need one wing to fly, the other is just for show
F-15 has a2a kill with a bomb
But honestly I think the Sea Harrier doesn’t deserve much praise really, besides the radar being good for it’s time. It was the pilots and carrier crews who deserve the praise, as well as the British commanders directing all of it
I am speaking purely from an A2G performance
Hence why I only talked about said CAS performance.
The Su-27SM and Mig-29SMT’s CAS performance does not hold a candle to the F-16C or the Rafale C
Defeating a maverick with smoke requires you to be aware that its coming to begin with, and given that there’s no MAWS on a tank, unless you were literally watching the plane fire it. Then I fail to see the point of this statement.
Also the Pantsir was not in the discussion, but even including it. All the best top tier CAS jets laugh in its face, it’s a non-factor for experienced players, and I’m not gonna knock a vehicle down several points under the hypothetical incompetence of their operator.
So USSR would overall still be in 3rd. KH38s are amazing, but I’d trade 1 outstanding CAS jet for 2 still outstanding CAS jets in France or America, but that are just relatively worse by comparison.
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I forgot they had the F-16 OCU. So yes, that is better than the Gripen. THough the F-16AJ only has AGM-65Bs and I think I would prefer the Gripen C over that.
The sad tihng about F-16A Block 15 OCU is that it doesn’t get thermals. But I love everything else about the jet, my favorite Japanese aircraft currently.
But they dont just have the AJ now do they? Additionally you seem to forget how valuable CAP is at top tier and what do you know Japan has 3 12.7 jets 2 of which are great for CAS, so sweden is left with a 9M slinger with Paveways or AGM-65A or you use your best CAS jet as CAP and lose any real potential since you’re only allowed 4 pylons for Fox-3, CM, and CAS
It seems you completely forgot the Gripen A is almost on par with the F-16AJ since Paveway is only good if theres no AA or CAP. And the AJ gets more FnF AGM’s
And in that case I would compare Su-34 vs Rafale, F-16C, F-15E, Typhoon. Etc. 6x KH-38s give it the best CAS payload in the game right now bar none.
and to defeat a KH-38 or AASM. You have to be aware it was launched at you, stop moving, smoke, move again but not move so far that you exit the smoke and thus get reacquired by the seeker. Doubling hard with the KH-38 due to its sheer speed.
With AGM-65, it self-destructs the moment you are obscured by the smoke
I did, but here’s what you’re forgetting.
Su-34 is superior to the Rafale, F-15E, M2KD RMV, etc for pure CAS only (AND NOT BY MUCH)
But the Su-27SM/29SMT are FAR WORSE than their contemporaries.
So yeah, the Su-34 alone does not hold more value than 2 Jets combined with weapons that really aren’t that much worse.
But it never actually happened unlike F-111K which at least began production
Purely and solely looking at CAS power and not even factoring in multirole/CAP performance. Otherwise Rafale would be number 1.
4x AGM-65Gs on the Gripen C is still a good payload, but I did forget the F-16 OCU existed on the Japan tree. So I didnt even factor that into the list. F-16AJ only has AGM-65Bs and no Tpod and I would rather have the Gripen C with 4x AGM-65Gs+Tpod over the F-16AJ
So looking Purely and only at the A2G performance of the top tier aircraft only. Then minus the F-16 OCU that I forgot about. I would consider Sweden and Japan roughly equal as their best CAS I thought was the exact same aircraft
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Even if the Gripen was their best CAS japan’s A-7 > Swedens Viggen
So F-15E should get LJDAM and Laser SDB (kind of cope beyond this point btw) as well as JSOW, JAGM-F, and SDB 2?
Because it has Strike in its name
I wasnt aware the A-7 or Viggen were top tier.
Im looking ONLY at top top tier. like those you would actually bring to a top tier GRB match. Neither the A-7 or Viggen would last long vs the CAP or SPAA found at top tier