Major Update "Hornet Sting" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

Thursday I think

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Regardless if it belongs at 14.0 or not, I could see Gaijin put it there to try to hype it as a new top BR plane.

Gaijin does have tendencies to place vehicles at the absolute top BR that have no business there, just because they want a vehicle there.

Thursday

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When most people hear the word “stinging,” they think of the F/A-18 Hornet, but what do you think when it’s a different kind of bee? lol

ex. Hornisse (Early Nashorn), Vespa150 TAP, Wespe (Leichte Feldhaubitze 18/2 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II)

I think of the de Havilland Hornet

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or the hummel, (bumblebee)

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22-0 off the top of my head, but unlike the F-15s, did so outnumber 10:1 with far less tactical or logistical advantage (actually both heavily favoured the Argentine air force) and with only a minimal technological advantage (Aim-9Ls). In fact they arguably had the weaker airframe as well.

Don’t get me wrong, the F-15 is a good aircraft, but it’s “undefeated” title comes with the fact that it has only ever seen combat with overwhelming advantages, both numerical and technological and did not face a foe that was equal to it and thus loose a lot of its meaning.

(though when Sea Harrier FRS1s took on F-15As in 2v2 combat, the F-15s lost)

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We could get the Australian Super Hornet as an exchange for the Super Hornets we considered buying in 2010. Kinda like how we got the F-111C as “replacement” for the F-111K

Or they could just leave the space open for other planes like the Hawk and Cheetah

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I think there is little need for the super hornet. But 1x SARH slinging F-18 for 12.7/13.0 would be quite valuable to have

They would not inhabit the same space, any Hornet would be after the Sea Harrier, whereas the Cheetah would be either the first or fourth line and the Hawk would most likely be in the fourth line too.

We have a whole line of naval aircraft for the UK, so there would be no crossover.

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It should be the j-11b

You say that now, but then we suddenly end up with Indian and Commonwealth stuff everywhere and Gaijin ends up acting like Britain has no need for their own vehicles

Yeah that does ever remain my fear.

With iconic aircraft like the Hawk yet to appear and other variants of existing aircraft like the Jaguar GR3A yet to be seen (and many more from lower BRs) or even just the aircraft we do have to be fixed to be in some recognisable state of their IRL version. That Gaijin will simply prioritise development time to C&P soviet stuff, because it is simply quicker and easier.

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F-18C has a similar estimated TWR throughout the climb with 6 missiles and full internal fuel.
~18,000kgf / 16250 = 1.11 at sea level.
~8000kgf at 10,000 meters.

F-16C: ~16,000kgf / 13224 = 1.2 TWR at sea level.
~5900kgf at 10,000 meters.

What the fuel is at 10,000 meters for each will have to be tested.
As for energy retention, F-16C loses rate fights rather consistently to F-18C, we’ll see if that’s repeated in WT.

I speculate that F-18C will perform very similarly to F-16C while having an overall better kit. Radar, weapon count, and general non-top speed flight performance being a slight improvement.

For rank VIII and up I think it’s fine, there isn’t too much there that we won’t likely already receive, I’m personally not a fan of the idea of getting a dozen different Typhoons. But from India all I really want to see is the SU-30MKI, Tejas, Jaguar IM, Sea Harrier, and Ajeet. Three of which are variants of British aircraft anyway, and none of them should really interfere with domestic additions

Oh, and whichever 5th gen India ends up picking, but again that won’t really interfere with our own additions given that we’re probably just getting two versions of the F-35B

If I were you i would not be really sure of that.

Does F-18C have HMD?

The f18c wins rate fights because it can rate harder than f16c, f16c has to use its better twr to maintain its energy and let the hornet dump its energy to win. F18 wins one circle fights and it has to make the fight quick or lose, the f16c just has to hold out until the hornet bleeds itsself of its energy. The F18 can’t keep up that level of rate performance at all. It will fall out of the sky due to the poor energy retention and lower t/w.

yes. first plane to use it in u.s. service.

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