I did it under the constraints established for one
and for two, there is already a more dangerous ARH flanker at that BR
F-16E, F-16V and F-16C PoBIT probably
Depends on the model. From what ive read it had worse close range performance but better engagement at long range. Im not familiar with all the models and or changes though so correct me if im wrong.
No there is not, there is no ARH flanker at 13.3
Gripen C? Can’t be serious. The days of Gripen being good are long gone. Their flight model is quite tragic and they don’t carry much weapons compared to F-15s. A Gripen cannot be higher than an F-16 as it is currently.
Edit: Noticed you were also discussing more advanced wepons for these aircraft. Excuse me then, if we get to see more advanced weapons on them, then I understand.
the Su-34 Fullback, is a slightly worse flying Flanker (not that much worse than the J-11A btw since it lacks new engines), with a BETTER radar, and R-77s
I’m not completely up to speed on them either.
All I know is early 120C is like clipped wing 120B, C-5 improved range and maybe close range, and C-7 improved range even more
Fullback, not flanker
There is no flanker at 13.3
If you’re gonna split hairs like this then this discussion is a waste of time
Tbf the gripen C’s in game are all sorts of wrong and as stated by Smin there are no plans to correct them from Gripen A/MS17-MS20 amalgamations. Id like to see the Gripen C’s for everyone get correctly fixed. SA being the only nation with MS19 and not MS20
“split hair”
Su-34 and Su-27 are NOT the same jet. Look at them side by side
no they’re not the exact same jet, but the Su-34 Fullback, and the J-11A play… exactly the same, with the exception of the J-11A having an HMD.
In exchange for a worse radar and rwr.
If all you care about is the name of the aircraft, this discussion is a waste of time. The J-11A wouldn’t put a dent in 13.3, because it is G A R B A G E. It’s worse then half the 13.3s as is.
Idk though, 13.7 should be bottom limit for 4th gen ARH fighters
12.3 does not deserve this
thats all well and good, but my list of changes was based under the criteria
- I cant add/remove features from these vehicles
- I couldn’t raise the BR higher than 14.3 (because gaijin rarely bumps it up higher than 1 increment)
And as a result, for the sake of the J-11A, I put it at 13.3, because it’d change absolutely nothing as far as the 12.3-13.0s are concerned.
It’s main competitors going up to 14.0 should suffice
Doesn’t need to be 2 steps down
it’s main competitor is its brother the Su-27SM staying at 13.7 because it’s still worse than half the 13.7 roster
Such differences within aircraft families are unfortunately inevitable. look at F-15C vs F-15JM
dawg do you know the differences between the J-11A and the Su-27SM? it’s not a simple case of “oh it’s one missile difference, and not a drastic one at that”
Isn’t JM lighter? And engines produce more thrust iirc
On top of 2 missile difference
it climbs better because its lighter, has the same top speed, and the only thing the C lacks is the AAM-4 (which as its currently modeled in game, the difference between the two aircraft isn’t particularly game changing.
The Su-27SM meanwhile has 2 DL channels instead of 1, on a superior radar btw. 2 Extra ARH pylons (for arguably the worst ARH in the game), a significantly better turn time due to new engines, climbs better, accelerates faster, a better RWR (the J-11A has the RWR of some 12.0 planes, but its 13.7 rn)
The differences are not comparable.
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