No on live, i dropped several bombs and launched some rockets to no avail. Then just end game i saw a F-104 kill one with its guns. So probably just a local skill issue
You can get 20km launches from altitude and with speed, not from normal conditions. Again not the case for the GR.7. About your 16km launches with the Harrier GR.7 you are free to prove me wrong. Even if this was possible with an Harrier GR.7 you probably have to do it from altitude and at that distance the speed of the Maverick is extremely slow so they can be easily shot down.
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based off your responses it’s clear you literally did not read anything I said.
Yeah that’s REALLY important
They’re fire and forget with a far safer range, that alone is more than enough reason to use them. Your choice is a FnF weapon that you can immediately go on the defensive after using, vs a an also incredibly slow A2G missile you need to manually guide to the target and linger in the air space if used at a distance. As for the close range shotgun idea that is a HEAVILY map dependent strategy and is just an overall bad idea when the Pantsir’s 30mm guns can turn you to dust.
have you used HMS outside of a good platform? Even on some of the best platforms in the game like the Gripen and F-16s, HMS 9Ms are limited severely by the missile itself and thus the aircraft needs to help get a better angle of attack for the missile before launch. You blatantly stated the opposite, that the Tornado’s bad FM would benefit from HMS when the reality is that because its a bad platform the HMS doesn’t help it in most circumstances… If it had a higher G pull missile this wouldn’t be the case
I was talking about the Tornado GR4 when I said the CM pods are the more important thing that it gets over the GR1. Since the standard CM pods on the GR1 kinda suck
250kg bombs are inconsistent, also in testing the EGBU-24 just glides further, meaning once again safer to use.
The JH-7 sits at 12.3 despite being worse than just about every 12.0 in the game in air to air combat so no I literally would not put it past them what so ever.
sad day looking at that Germany column :/
Man i mean this magach is good(sabra) but the problem is that the israeli tt cannot defend either from any aerial threat i mean prob only drones nothing more planes have more range in 10.0 and yet yall expect us to do something at at top tier nah man thats why israel needs top tier spaa and most countries now has a good spaa(except japan ,and israel) for israel the hvsd/adams as yk for japan there was also something but i forgot its name
250kg are plenty to kill any SPAA.
Debetable, you still have all the downsides PGMs have (being incredibly slow and not agile for close-range shots)
To me it looks like you have zero experience doing CAS at top tier and your whole argument is “muh engaging outside of SPAA therefore they are better” or “kh38 stronk”
Yes, I have every top tier fighter in the game and HMS helps.
JH-7A also have x4 good missiles and really good flight performance, while it is not the best in class it’s not worse than every 12.0 like you claim.
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“This is useless because it cant be used in close range shots, in other news my shotgun is garbage because I cant use it at sniper rifle ranges”
I mention those two aspects because they’re very important… when no SPAA is up any plane with a substantial CAS loadout is good, so judging them by how they perform at their best is pointless. I care about how an aircraft handles a hard situation, and as it stands the GR4 SUCKS in those situations.
if it wouldn’t take forever I’d break down piece by piece how each 12.0 is better than the JH-7A but I know it’d fall on deaf ears.
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Go ahead i am listening
You also missed the part where it’s incredibly slow and leaves a huge trail, right. I am starting to believe that people thinks IR PGMs will be arcane magic while they will be slightly better than TV ones.
If all you do for defeating an SPAA is sitting outside their range and every other option for you is bad maybe the issue is not the plane.
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Hi @Smin1080p_WT Quick question…would it be possible that gaijin would look into adding any of the F15-I’s Standoff/ CAS armament like the Spice 1000/2000, or even the Popeye missile, Possibly in the last major update or any time next year?
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Ok, no update tomorrow hahah
Maybe this Friday, though.
(Hope they are working on optimisation for those new graphics!)
Mighty Gszabi shared his wisdome
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personally, my opinion won’t change until they give the F4ej the AAM-2 or buff it in some way to put it on par a2a wise with other planes at it’s br and the brs it faces cause its underwhelming at best and incapable of getting to bases in a timely manner when carrying bombs at worst (people complaining about it’s speed forget that it goes way slower than any other afterburning attack/strike/bomber jet at its br when loaded with same amount that those other jets are loaded)
Easy, 95% of them have SARH, which means 10km range, vs JH7 which even from rear is max 5km. Mirage F1C easy, SARHs + IRCCM missiles arguably undertiered; F4SII, AIM7Fs are fantastic, AIM9Hs are doable, although not great, it does get a great radar which paired up with HMS could do great; similar situations with most other F4s, even though skyflash are less range, and Kurnass falls here and there, the range is overwhelming. Just to note I don’t think JH7A is much worse of them, but I would say they are about equal, python 3s especially at this BR where ARHs flies around is no advantage to speak of. RWR is great, but not gonna help with anything if everything fired beyond range. I mean similar stuff is seen on F5ECU, which sits at 11.3, it is slower, but also more manoeuvrable.
Oh, sadge. Thanks for the share, hadn’t seen it!
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They also weren’t called ‘late’, so calling them Peace Rhine would be far more accurate.
Also not true, they are called F-4F KWS-LV and KWS-LA in real life
We’re both patiently waiting…
Hey. There is a suggestion report already passed on this. However there is currently no timeframe.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ccA8L3iIFKbB
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Hi Smin. Can you comment on this?
hello @Smin1080p_WT , sorry for bothering you this late in the day.
Would you have any information concerning the Mirage 2000 RMV that is going to be added.
From the dev, it lost its MICA EM (which is accurate) and kept only 2 Magic II while staying at 13.7.
Also the CAS capability are very similar to the 2000-5F.
Is there any plan to add bombs such as AASM, scalp or even the BAT120LG to make the cas option more worth it compared to the 5F. Any plan to give it MICA IR (it will only get 2) so it wont be that game breaking.
If none of the above happen, i hope it will be foldered with the current 2000DR1 and lowered in br (at least in air rb) as the only improvment are : a HMD and better targetting POD.
thank you