Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

Ironically this update is going to be my favorite update all year(December has only a few reasons/ways that could top this)

UK Ram II B
3.7 SPAA for the US (T77E1)
F-117
Scimitar

As for the other air stuff I don’t really care. The OSA is neat and even though I don’t like that fact that India is part of the UK(over better fitting nations), the Indian OSA will serve me 10x better then the HMV. And the rest of the addition sit it places I won’t ever get to soon so I don’t care.

yes, we’ll have to see how it performs in practice, but from what I could see, the OSA looks set to be better than the Roland 3. However, the Roland wasn’t doing a bad job; it wasn’t like there was a huge gap. I would have preferred an SPAA between 8.7 and 9.3. Same with the premium CAS—two attackers at 11.3…


minute 29 of the Russian devstream

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The f15 gets artificially limited emgines instead

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For the British tech tree, the OSA is a great addition. The HVM must be the worst SPAA in the game at its BR.

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Cant wait for the next patch, running out of planes to spade.

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This has nothing to do with British players vs German players.

Tornado GR.1 is comparable to the German IDS ASSTA1 1.0 and Italian IDS 1995. All 3 are the same BR.

WTD-61 and MFG are not the same as those. You are comparing the wrong sets of Tornados.

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I dont agree with that change.

I love the Stormer, but against gen 4 aircraft like F-16 its too easy to defeat

There is no difference at all between the 3 at 11.7 and the 3 at 11.3. None at all (that remotely matter in Air modes anyway) you yourself confirmed that the only reason for the difference is player stats.

As for the Tornado F3 Late. BOL needs to be fixed ASAP and/or Phimat needs to be added. Otherwise its currently DOA at 13.3 . Especially with it apparently equal in performance to the Su-34 which is just insane

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Thats not how it looks to the player base.

Same, I’m extremely excited for the F-117, even if it isn’t too useful! Can’t wait to fly the bugger

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How does one make a separate BR for both Ground and Air just to not make use for them when it comes to the Tornados.

All IDS Tornados should be at the same BR in Air without argument, their gameplay is EXACTLY the same and the aircraft should be treated so as well.

Unless having GBU-12s makes you a wonder weapon and a direct threat to aircraft even like the F-16 or F-22.

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I mean when the HVM works it’s great. The only issue is that it doesn’t work 90% of the time or if you have any ping. And I often play with people that play on EU servers so it doesn’t work for me most times.

Indeed, I love meme vehicles that wouldn’t be useful but are funny to have in the game. Plus it’s got to be my favourite US plane that doesn’t have Canada using it which makes me like it. tho them again, I might just like stealth aircraft designs or at least western ones.

HVM is fine. I have no issues with it and is really fun. if nothing else, because you can scout with the best optics in teh game instead of sitting AFK.

Just needs:

  • IFF
  • Low intensity laser
  • IRST fixes (not HVM specific issue)
  • Tracer removal (or reduction at least)
  • (Maybe ACLOS)

and it would be great.

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My exerpience with this update so far

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@Smin1080p_WT Could we perhaps get a comment from Gaijin about the decision to implement brimstones as they currently are and are you guys open to a compromise? Currently the brimstones will never be used due to the fact you need to guide them for so long you will just die to SAMs. Alternatively players will just spawn the Gripen with F&F mavericks. I believe a good compromise would be to implement the radar without LOAL, then they would function almost exactly the same as mavericks and Kh38.

Not worth even trying that, they refuse any form of compromise when it comes to buffing them.

But are happy to ahistorically model things when its a massive nerf, like BOL.

Best we can hope for is the IR variant of the PGM-500/2000s that were reported 5 months ago and other buffs for the GR4 like its missing BOL. At least we now have the Litening III pod and we are still waiting for buffs for the Brimstones as they are currently lacking range, likely should have double+ the guidance time it currently has now.

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ok I’ve been made aware of probably the weirdest angry mob in existence… why are some Swedish players mad about the decision to make a separate AIM120 viggen?

Gaijin just solved 2 problems, without even creating a new problem really… they Fixed Swedens less than stellar top tier premium grinder plane problem.

They gave the Tech Tree players who want AIM120s, a platform that (apparently) will be foldered so it’ll be dirt cheap. They gave the people who didn’t want AIM120s the ability to keep their existing 12.0 Viggen, un touched.

Like I see people mad about this decision when it’s quite possibly the best decision Gaijin has made this entire update.

Edit: Side note why are people so shocked about 4 AIM-120s at 13.0? “ooooooh spooky the AV-8b+ has the same loadout but it gets 9Ms as well, more CMs, a way better radar!, also the ICE is this BR, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO spooky!”

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Yep, agreed. Id be pissed of the F3 had been moved up to 13.3 just to save on the grind. Kinda envious the Viggen Di is being foldered if that is the case.

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dude as someone who had to watch the J-8F get given the Ol Yeller treatment when Seek and Destroy came out. I’m super envious of Sweden mains right now. That plane was so good and it’d be an amazing 12.3 without PL-12s, but nope.