Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

see it was balanced before when the challenger was the only tank with a 5 second manual loading, now that the majority of tanks do the ready rack needs to be increased or decrease the reload further

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Yeah, Id happily take an comparable ready rack over increasing the reload rate.

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No, but instead of having 3 bad burgers, 2 okay ones, and 2 pretty good ones, and then asking for even more burgers, maybe you should ask for a side dish or a drink? A.k.a. get some support vehicles instead of even more MBTs. Or maybe get some condiments for an okay one to upgrade it, like give the 3TD a 1500hp engine and fix the Chally’s armour.

Besides, a Leo2A6 wouldn’t be a big step (if any) above the BN or 2E, so it wouldn’t even achieve much. And UK certainly doesn’t need a 2A4 because it already has a great 10.7 lineup with numerous tanks.

Lastly… the 2A6 is still top BR, and they aren’t doing top BR prems, events and squadrons yet, and a Canadian 2A6 certainly wouldn’t be in the research tree.

you act like we haven’t tried to do this for years at this point, the british community desperately tried to get gaijin to revert the 1500hp change on the 3TD and they told us no every time you seem to think that our first thought is to ask for another nations MBTs it really isnt

Had it and was removed. Also asked for 5 second reload with DM53, make it a side grade over the CR2s, Ariette got that buff, CR3TD didn’t

Tried that, biggest non R&R thread on the forums is dedicated to that. THey nerfed the CR2 instead of buffing it.

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I don’t get this support vehicle obsession thing.

What good is some car with a 25mm canon for when all it has to “support” is a bad or mediocre at best MBT?

What is that “support vehicle” going to do against the hordes of Russian MBTs, 122s and 2A7s? Tickle their tracks?

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I half get it, If we cant bring a decent tank, the least we should be able to do it bring a decent SPAA, Heli or jet or something and can bring value to the team via that.

Like maybe a Tornado Gr4 with Brimstones? :P

Ya if it went to Germany where it became a UNATTAINABLE event vehicle.

The only tree(outside Canada getting one) where it would be TT is the British tree. Look at other additions like the F-111C.

They got rid of it because the production model is apparently going to stick with the 1200hp engine (could be true could be unture, who knows its the british government).

The worst part being the “chally 3” we have in game isnt a fking chally at all but a test demonstrator which in all likely hood had the 1500hp engine. So, if gaijins basing the chally 3 in game on the test demonstrator then in game its wrong but if they want to base it on the production model… well then its even more wrong…

They need to change the name as its no where near close to what a chally 3 is, the black knight is closer than it.

Ajax, Warrior CSP, VERDI-2, Stormer LMM are 4 support vehicles I can think of off the top of my head that would be nice support vehicles to have, especially if we can get the Ajax photographed with the javelin mount on the RWS. I’m sure there’s lots of other options as well.

show me anything saying the 3TD (Rhm’s LEP demonstrator but renamed) received a 1500hp engine upgrade

Asking for other nation’s MBTs still wouldn’t fix anything. It’s just annoying other nations. Or do you want to go down the UK tree to end up exclusively playing Leos and Abrams? Why not play Germany/Sweden/US at that point? Sweden even has the best Centurion waiting for you.

yeah its stupid, if its meant to be the production model then why hasnt it got the up armoured front plates and APS? if its meant to be the TD why did they remove the 1500hp engine? it honestly feels gaijin just want to make the tank as worse as possible

I want to use Canadian stuff together and the UK tree is the only one the fits to keep Canada together right now.

If its a base challenger hull, its a decent bet it could have been the 1500hp. The fact that it was a demo probably meant they would try and put as much in as possible to see what worked… AKA, a more powerfull engine. Now if we actually decided to go with it is another thing entirely.

Im more just pissed at the reason why gaijin removed it, because it wouldnt be on the production model? Its not a production chally 3 so who cares.

A leopard would be nice, not necessarily because it would strengthen the MBT line up, but because it could enable a fun Canadian Line-up.

Leopard
ADATS
LAV III (in the future. hopefully)
CF-18 (in the future, hopefully)

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maybe because it takes months if not years to research an entirely new tree? I would rather have the tree im playing actually get something good then being told “hey suck it up and go waste another year grinding away because you picked a nation you thought gaijin would treat the same as everyone else”

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LEP was separate from HAAIP, if the CR3 (TD) gets a 1500hp engine then you can use the same argument to put it in Black Night.

There’s also been plenty of discussion around how the 1500hp could be achieved on CR3 and I think it’s generally accepted that it would require a not insignificant redesign of the rear end to improve cooling enough, with the speculated hp limit on an unaltered hull being ~1350hp.

Plus we know the TD turret has been removed from the hull, meaning the hull is likely being upgraded to CR3 spec - why undergo a 1500hp engine upgrade just to revert it so it matches the rest of the fleet.

There are CR2s undergoing HAAIP upgrades ahead of CR3 conversion as well, and I haven’t seen mention of hull rebuilds (though I’m not omniscient)

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Least with Ajax we could get enough sp to spawn the Harrier to help the team…

Well support vehicle isn’t limited to 25mm cannons. I’d argue a CV90120 for example is a support vehicle. Though I don’t know if the UK could get any capable light tanks like that, nor do I want to research that rn, but honestly, I wouldn’t even mind them getting the 120mm PL-01 for example, since Poland doesn’t really belong anywhere rn and BAE cooperated on the development, but that’s a wholly different topic.

What that support vehicle could do is give you something with more mobility to not fight 122s and 2A7s headon (yes, even in urban maps, those have alot of corridors to flank) without straight up snatching other nation’s toys for that.

Yet even a 25-40mm cannon could achieve that. A CV9040 works well in toptier because it shreds T-series, 122s and 2A7s from the side. Hell, I still do well with the Begleitpanzer up there, and that certainly isn’t the wobbly 630mm pen I-TOW carrying me.

Assuming gaijin doesnt butcher that one as well, cant wait for them to act like it doesnt have darts or something, or decreasing the fire rate of the gun or hell just removing horse power from the engine