Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

[Mytho-GR1]

Its a sub trees

We get what they have

Cope about it

[Morvran]

Yes, the NATO battleplan was/is total air superiority + Long ranged SAMs + SEAD (taking out airfields included) (or is it DEAD?)

Basically what we saw in the first 24 hour of desert storm.

Anything short range would be handled by MANPADS and systems like the Stormer.

[Morvran]

Id just spawn in a Sea Harrier FA2 instead of the ADATS 9/10 times

[Bonrath]

i mean the next one in line is brutal so i wont lol )))))))))))))

[RycotSS]

Might have to involve the Chinese embasy if that happens…

[Morvran]

Yeah, it really would. AA is probably too strong, but having 16x ships focus fire on you isnt going to change much, even if AA was nerfed

[Deathmisser]

Is he still coping ?

[_Renzo]

If gps guided GBU-39s are all that are new on the F-15E and gimped brimstones and jdams are all that is new on the Gr.4 it feels like the Su-34 is the only real upgrade for it’s nation.

Of course we will have to wait for the stream and server to be sure.

[Morvran]

Of course, the Soviets do have the weakest SPAA in game, so naturally they should get the best CAS to compensate… Wait hang on a second :P

I just hope the Su-34 is good in air and stops them from complaining about the Su-27

[KhorneFlakez1337]

Then where are the other hundreds of actual copy paste vehicles that these subnations operated?

[XSpaz1NOuTX]

@Nagisei

But this is me having to do unorthodox tactics because Japan’s best SPAA is the F-15J(M) lol

Idk about that, I quite enjoy the Type 81

[Bonrath]

was thinking about another one from the other side but lol still

[PestoMystic]

@Morvran

Yes, the NATO battleplan was/is total air superiority + Long ranged SAMs + SEAD (taking out airfields included)

Basically what we saw in the first 24 hour of desert storm.

Anything short range would be handled by MANPADS and systems like the Stormer.

Which was short-sighted in retrospect. ARM’s are still not a precision weapon, and were even worse 40 years ago. Soviet planes were also designed with FOD screens to take off from damaged runways.

Not an exact perfect counter, but MRAD is seriously lacking to this day, and something like SAMP/T and other weird semi-mobile AA is the only thing they could conceivably add.

[PestoMystic]

Su-34 won’t be anything to write home about in air.

And I’m also sad because the first Soviet/Russian aircraft with Canards should’ve been the Su-30SM :(

[HolmanTheHorror]

@Hyrikul

Perhaps all the player that are not main US/RU/GER should stop give them money, we will see if they like that x)

If y’all could quit, you would’ve done so by now.

@Morvran

I get the complaint though. When we have something like the Wildcat (among other helis) with its Martlet missiles that would be really fun to have in game, but instead we are gettng essentially another soviet aircraft, is a really annoying

I get being annoyed by the opportunity cost, but the modernized Hind really isn’t something worth bitching over. It’s so heavily modified that the chassis is about the only thing making it a Hind, and is far superior to vehicles like the Bison or Bisharma, which, to my understanding, are just Indian operated Russian vehicles with minor modifications at best.

@KhorneFlakez1337

I get the point that people want to play their nations vehicles, but you can’t add all vehicles of all nations to the game.

I agree with this to an extent, copy paste vehicles should be done sparingly in tech trees to fill in holes where needed to complete a line up, and should have been put into service with the country in question.

That said, I don’t see why you draw the line at Eastern and Western tech of all things. Copy-pasting western vehicles across western nations does more damage to the uniqueness of trees then the cross pollination of East and West tech, as it is literal copy-paste, whereas vehicles that have basis from the other side aren’t all copy-paste, such as the heavily modernized Hind where almost everything Russian was removed.

@squidgy4

I think the F117 was the iconic end of line non mbt that was shown in the leaks. Maybe instead of being a squadron/event its gonna be strike or something

Unlikely as there is no way the F-117 can maintain that high of a br. It’s subsonic, with no countermeasures or method of defending itself outside of dropping bombs and hoping that the tailing aircraft gets caught in the blast radius.

[Kminek246]

Gaijin horrible way of adding vehicles from sub-tt. Would love to see more vehicles from them being added…but at this point it is one vehicle per year

[meki98]

wouldn’t surprise me would be the first update with out a sound rework of any kind

[Morvran]

Well… there is always stuff like the HUMVEE that fires AMRAAM and Aim-9X

Its not just ARMs though, things like Cruise missiles like the Tomahawk to also consider

And UK and Germany are developing vehicles that fire ASRAAM and IRSI-T respectively. So they are being worked on. I still think in the event of the cold war going hot. The NATO plan would have worked well. These days, dont take this the wrong way and im not going to say more. The Russian dont really stand much of a chance.

[Morvran]

4x R-73, 8x R-77. So long as it has a better radar, it will be better than most nations

[_Lord_Vader]

This is the British old marathon ship HMS Renown. I don’t know why they showed it in the teaser instead of the new one