Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

To summarise tonight’s debate.

5 nations, Britain, Germany, Italy, France and Sweden (may also include Japan and china i guess) are not allowed to progress in A2A capabilities natively without the US leapfrogging ahead to aircraft like the super-hornet. Due to lack of options for those nations. That either means C&Ps from other nations or nothing at all. Likely 1x C&P and then a long wait

More focusing on the December update however and not this one. But still

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It was Eep
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I ain’t straw manning shit, you cannot, in all honesty, tell me that the new airframe built from the ground up is not superior to its predecessor 30 years before. The only way that could happen is if the designers behind it are inept, or politicians fucked up the design.

So implementation can wait for the Super Hornet? Seeing as how there isn’t any way for the US to match it in a dog fight without surpassing it, according to your own words, it would be best to implement it along with the Duper Hornet, that way the US would have a fairer chance.

I can also say my Sabre can win against an F-22, won’t make it less of a slaughter.

Correction: Leapfrogging is bad, so if the European nations get an air superiority aircraft from 2003, the US and Russia get something comparable at the same time to prevent leapfrogging, even if it’s in the form of multi-role craft.

“Ha-ha, now here’s 0.6 pen coef”

Only if that applies to the US as well. So no F-15E for example unless all nations get equally capable mutlirole aircraft or well equipped CAS aircraft that have teeth. Like mirage RMV with MICA IR or Tornado Gr4 with ASRAAM or tornado ASSTA3.1 with IRIS-T

Wouldn’t want the US to leapfrog ahead now would we

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I never said that the Typhoon’s flight performance isn’t better than the F-15C’s. I said that the sum of all its parts makes it not massively better than it and that effectiveness always takes precedence over date of introduction.

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So basically no one else is allowed new things unless the US gets something new of the same cailber got it

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Yapping!

Teaser where?

Tomorrow.

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Probably on YouTube 😜

Come on at least let the man grab a tea or a coffee first.

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Yeah, forgot that it’s Wednesday today… probably “it’s fixed” and one devblog.

duh

Sorry, I’m rude, because all news come at night for me(
And I see them only in the morning, if I’m not at night work.

F-15E equivalents should be added at the same time where possible, though it wouldn’t be a leapfrog like the Typhoon would be.

Yet you say an aircraft with superior flight performance should fight aircraft with inferior performance simply because it has a couple less missiles? I agree, the sum of its parts should be what determines BR, and that sum is greater then the current brs in game.

No, new tiers or BRs shouldn’t be reached unless everyone can have at least something there.

If that was the case, you wouldn’t constantly be bringing up date.

No. It’s all nations or no F-15E.

F-16C is already ahead of most nations by a significant margin, unless you consider aircraft like the tornado ASSTA1 or F4F-ICE equal to the F-16C. It’s even a fair bit ahead of the gripens

F-15E would be a major upgrade on the USs mutlirole capability by taking the best A2A platform in game and giving it a large number of A2G weapons. Either all nations get major upgrades in CAS or it’s the US leapfrogging ahead

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I bring up date because of the airframes. Modernization of the F-15 cannot compensate for the vastly increased performance a new, scratch built/designed airframe provides.

Against what? All the 13.0 tanks we got in game? F-15E will be a glorified bomber in air RB. That isn’t a capability needed by anyone, not to the point of it being a leapfrog anyway.

As for the fighters, I’ll say it again. I’d give Germany an Argentinian F-16 to fill that gap.

And flight performance is not the only thing about aircraft, either in real life or in game.

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