A better summary of tonight’s debate is:
Nation mains want their vehicles to be better than vehicles of other nations and don’t mind how big the gap is. Doesn’t matter if it’s US mains, British mains, German mains, Russian mains, French mains etc.
Thinking about it, this is probably a summary of half of the debates on this forum lol. the other half being groups of people trying to get their vehicles fixed.
Correct, like how the Eurofighter would have the same missiles as the F-15 MILSIP.
In an environment where flight performance matters significantly less that you are making it out to.
just 4 more and the option to use vastly better IR missiles
and a better radar but thats not that important for ARH missiles anymore
oh and MAWS, and a HMD, and a FLIR for the brits
Found Wildcat Spaag project (West Germany).
poor Tpz Fuchs
And you are acting as though it is irrelevant. The Typhoon will still have a lot of missiles even if it is less then the F-15.
No, I’m not. Another strawman.
I’ve jet to see any indication you believe otherwise.
Expect for the fact that I have never said that flight performance doesn’t matter.
but it has more missiles than the F-15?
IR: 2x.Wingtip + 2x outer most Wing pylon = 4
ARH: 4 Fuselage + 2 Inner wing pylon + 2 Center wing pylon = 8
Shit, really? That for the early Typhoons?
for every? they didn’t change the pylons
only the wingtip one went away when they installed ECM/Radar Decoys there in tranche 2
Just want my CV90MKIV series
Yeah no this IS a problem. FM performance is somewhat mitigated in the sense that an AMRAAM is still an AMRAAM no matter if its dropped from a hot air baloon or launched from an F22. But FM still is hugely important. An AMRAAM shot from an ICE has way less energy than one shot from an F15.
The F4F ICE pilot has considerably less time than than an F15 pilot to identify a missile threat and to counter appropriately because it takes 10 years to enter a notch if needed. Where the ICE dumps ALL its energy in that one turn. An F15 does not have these issues.
If something gets past the headon, in a meta where people continuously improve in the countering of radar missiles. An ICE is very simply dead, an F15 is not.
wdym it has less energy?.
if I go Mach 1.2 with it then not so much
I expect Eurofighter’s flight performance will be better than Rafale’s, which in turn will be better than Gripen E’s.
it is currently in reality the undisputed king of flight performance
Average energy state of an F15 at any moment is FAR higher than an ICE. If you firewall the throttle of both the Eagle is far faster so, still more energy.
Its of course very much possible for the energy of an ICE to equal or exceed that of an Eagle but on most occasions it wont be.
Hence, an AMRAAM fired from an ICE will, on average, have less energy than one fired from an Eagle
The thing is, however, that there are significant diminishing returns once you reach a certain point. The F-15C is able to be react very quickly, even if not as quickly as a Typhoon, and thus the difference in effect isn’t massive. The only time the flight performance difference will make a large difference is during a dogfight, which almost never happens at top tier.