As someone who mostly plays ground and only reads the discussions in this thread, I have no clue how big that gap would be anymore.
Everytime someone mentions the EF it’s either only slightly better than the 15C or it will walk over anything the US can field besides the F-22, with no inbetween lol.
dude it’s ridiculous because I am on both sides of this argument.
You have some europeans who overrate the eurofighter to death and some who underrate it to oblivion.
The Plane would perform like a better J-10A with a better radar and weapons suite. Is the most reductive way to put it. As well as a FAR better multirole loadout.
The Typhoon is an incredible aircraft. As it should be, it’s incredibly new as well…
Not Necessarily. Typhoon F2, the first in service typhoon for Britain would have a max of…
6x BL755
That is it, that is its full A2G suite.
True, but for a short while it was the best dogfighter with the mld being close behind and it’s radar was also pretty good
So I’d put it as the best plane of the patch
Because imo, you have people who are comparing IRL without considering war thunder.
Things like BOL
Should be basically large calibre flares with a shorter burn time (should be the most effective CM for defeating a rear-aspect IR Missile) and the chaff should be the same as standard calibre. In game both BOL flares and chaff are 1/4 the strenght of standard calibre flares and chaff.
Also Gaijin models heat sigs based upon thrust, so flaring a missile is all about “thrust to flare ratios”. This why the Harrier’s are so hard to flare in.
Combine Typhoons high TWR with mostly BOL (assuming no fixes) and you instanstly have a major nerf in game that would never be an issue IRL.
Also, map sizes, they are tiny, In Sim Typhoon will likely do better, because it can engage in more 1v1s and find space, but in ARB… AMRAAM Spam from the F-15C will be just as potent and with the aforementioned nerfed chaff, defending in the Typhoon wont be as simple as it sounds.
I could go on, but the point is this. The gap is already big enough for most nations. F-18C might mitigate it but would suck for another year of C&P. Typhoon cannot be delayed more than 6 months? If not december, HAS to be March, if nothing else, France cannot delay Rafale any logner than that and Rafale and Typhoon shouild be added together. If that leaves the US behind for 3 months till they get superior like the F-18E in June, then they have to be behind for 3 months
Yes Typhoon will be ahead of F-15C, but no larger than the F-15C is ahead of the Griepn C (SA), F-4F ICE, FA2, F3, etc etc
The EF will be like a mix of the J10 and Gripen, Energy retention of the Gripen if not slightly better and great pull potential of the J10 at high speed
Because BVR isn’t everything in War Thunder owing to how small the maps are. Yes, the F-15 has more missiles, so what? The Typhoon has a lot of missiles on an excellent airframe that easily makes up for it being a couple missiles offhor from the F-15.
Your the one here trying to be the next meta nation by leapfrogging, by getting a competently built air superiority aircraft from 2003 to go up against upgraded airframes from the 70s. The Eurofighter would be better in air to air combat then the super hornet, It’ll still be good if it releases with comparable aircraft.
Well… That didnt take long, US mains already saying the Typhoon has to come AFTER the F-18E.
So was F-15C MSIP II for all of 2023 and first half of 2024, then F-18E and now what? What is a “comparable aircraft” to a Typhoon DA or Tranche 1 block 2?
No. I want to close the already existing gap
No man, I’m saying it should release with the super hornet, and that it doing won’t make it shit.
EDIT: Moreover, anyone who thinks that F-15 MSIP is comparable to the Typhoon is a moron
So F-18E when then?
Because the F-15C is already way ahead of most nations have. F-18C and F-15E will maintain that lead.
So F-18E March then, as Rafale and Typhoon cannot wait longer than March
Well, that was every US main for ALL of 2023 right up until June update which added the F-15C. I was told, “No. Typhoon would be way too OP, we’d need the F-15C MSIP II to fight it, that would be a fair fight” So Im just going by US mains last year when they were keeping nations behind with the F-16 dominance
Except for the fact that the Super Hornet would have significantly better weaponry.
Typhoon can beat the F22 so we must get the F22 to match!
/s
NGAD Update after!
Further /s
Honestly… I wouldnt be surprsied if I see that argument made with all sincerity when the F-18E appears on a leaklist and the response is
“I See F-18E, Time for Typhoon then”
and the US mains will go “no no, F-18E vs Typhoon DA would be an unfair fight, Typhoon is WAY better, you will have to wait till F-22 or F-15EX”
I HAVE to have my 22 Aim-260s to beat that thing!
The Fact they need 10x Aim-120C5s and 2x Aim-9x to fight a Tyhoon with 6x Aim-9M and 4x Aim-120B is rather funny.
Regarding what flight characteristics the EFT will have, it has to do with its canard layout. The Rafale is a close-coupled canard design (which means that the canard is close to the delta wing), and that has the advantage of great low-speed pull and AOA. The Eurofighter’s canards are positioned further from the main wing than the Rafale’s, and it has the advantage of being more effective in regulating smooth airflow and leading to lower drag characteristics and better energy retention. The J-10A and Gripen’s canards seem to strike a balance between the two (although the J-10A also has a wing dihedral angle to compensate for the canard being positioned high up, which helps with AOA performance).
EFT will be the ultimate energy fighter due to its thrust-to-weight ratio and low drag, but it will still have pretty good dogfight performance given its massive delta wing, advanced flight control system, and relatively low weight for its size.
depends on the EFT variant I guess
It is it really wont be as strong as people make it seem, dont get me wrong itll be great but not game breaking (not like gainin will add a EF unnerfed anyway)
Yep, Id place
Typhoon DA at 13.7
Typhoon T1/B2 at 14.0
(without further decompress which is needed for the 13.7s)
They will be an upgrade, but not this massive leapfrog that people are claiming.
just imagine a Gripen with twice the thrust, better turnfighting abilities, a LOADS better radar and twice as many missiles for each type