Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

And after all the Gripen FM nerfs ( which I wont get into as I have an opinion) I expect the EF will be in the same boat

We’re talking about T1s.

depending on the variant (Block 1 or 5)

this could be equal or not

No T1 is equal to the F/A-18E for weaponry.,

A Typhoon DA with the Torando Engines, more limited FM, smaller payload, missing most of its defensive suite, etc etc.

Wouldnt be that big of a jump. Even the full Typhoon T1/B2s wouldn’t be a big upgrade, but basically just the F-15Cs speed/TWR/Climb rate with the turn rate of a Gripen.

(F-15C has a higher TWR than the Typhoon 1.15 vs 1.17 by quick and dirty stats that I can find)

Well assuming how much theyre tiptoeing around the EF before its even in game we’re going to get the most barebones EF possible

Fucked if I know, I’d rather Gaijin spend time filling out the trees then pressing onward.

And that shit is why you can’t get the Typhoon until the Super Hornet. All it would do is continue the same bullshit that Gaijin has been doing for ages.

And I have no idea who you talked to last year, but they were stupid.

What better weaponry? They came out at about the same time and have the same missiles.

Almost as funny as needing an air superiority airframe from 2003 to beat an airframe from the 70s

F-15C MSIP II is from 2007… At least that is when they got HMD. Easy enough to upgrade their radars as well. Surprised they dont arleady have AESA

F15J MTDP would like a word (2014 I believe 2010s 100%)

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Once again, time means nothing. The only thing that does is vehicle progression. On top of that, the MiG-29A 9.12A and MiG-29G used the same missiles in real life, yet have different ones in game. Adding the F/A-18E with the same missiles we have right now would be like adding the F-15A with AIM-9Js and AIM-7E-2s.

F-15J(M) is very recent iirc, 2010s?

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The latest variant to enter service.

We are well and truly into the age of modern fighters now.

Very VERY, iirc its the most current upgrade to Japanese F15s ( not including the AESA program I THINK its seperate from)

in that case

Tranache 1 Block 1 is missing HMD, FLIR, MAWS, IR missiles, ARH Missiles, Paveways and Datalink over Tranche 1 Block 5

so yes it depends on the variant if this tranche 1 is good or not

Still an airframe from the 70s man, with all the inefficiencies that entails.

Well technically the EF is froms the 90s originally soooo

So F-15EX that has yet to enter service is inferior to the Typhoon because its based upon an airframe from the 1970s?

Then Sea Harrier FA2 which is based upon an airframe from the 1960s should be lowered to fight F-86s then

production started 2004 iirc

It’s always puzzling why people hyperfocus on date of introduction and not vehicle performance.

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