I can’t decide what’s crazier.
How underrated the EFT is in this channel or how overrated the F/A-18C is.
these planes are not on par (not even close) stop treating them like they are
True, but still, 8x R-77-1 AND 4x R-73s, on a perfectly usable airframe with HMD, is still far more than something like the F-4F ICE has and would likely still beat the F-15C in a 1v1 battle
Despite the decompression that was done to bring the max BR up to 13.7, there’s still a massive amount of compression 13.0 to 13.7.
I’d like to point out that once again at 13.7 we have 5 jets (3 F-16s and 2 Gripens) with “good” FMs, and better Fox 3s AND Radars than the J-10A does… yet the J-10A off of FM alone, is still considered the 3rd best top tier jet above them all.
With the “bad” jets being the Gripen C (SA), Su-27SM, J-11A
and the Wildcard being the Mirage 2000-5F
FM is VERY important still at top tier. The 15Cs BVR is dangerous yes, but between multipathing and good FM planes having the easiest time notching Fox 3s, the 15C much like the F-14s performs at its best against planes that challenge it at its terrain.
It’s far easier for a bad BVR fighter to avoid BVR combat, than it is for a bad knife fighter to dodge a knife fight. keep in mind the F-15C doesn’t have a bad FM-
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I love the 2000-5F but it really is a wild card.
FM is solid, Fox 3s are undeniably the best within their range but non-factors at long ranges, radar is aight.
I cant really place it anywhere on a tier list
Oh ok i thought you were saying it was the worst top tier.
Nvm.
So a Su-32? There’s no Su-33UB. Su-30M or Su-30SM have served in the Russian Navy. I’d happily take an Su-30SM alongside the J-15.
nah thats the J-11A and it’s not even close
Its not the same as the Russian one ?
I still see you just confirming my point. Typhoon vs F-15C would be an overall fair fight and the Typhoon would only be marginally above the F-15C as the Typhoon would have inferior BVR but superior WVR capabilities. With the right buffs to the F-15C though, it oculd be made equal (Upgraded radar, BOL, later AMRAAMs) and they could be placed at the exact same BR without issue.
When the Gripen was added, everyone called it OP and major calls for it to be nerfed. Now I only see calls to see it get buffed like fixing BOL.
Worse radar, worse RWR
Also they have wrong drag, to much of that, and lack acceleration (part of why they are lacking at long range)
If Gaijin work better on them they have still room for improvment ^^
(also they don’t have the purple fire, Gaijin really broked them ! :p)
because it was modeled hilariously incorrectly and nothing could beat it?
For the full 6 months after it was added? I still saw calls to have it nerfed right up until the ARH update. Then they stopped cold turkey
Now I see calls for its BOL to be fixed and for it to get things like MAWS
I wish theyd actually fix the J11A so its as it should be
If I was held a gunpoint to make a tier list of the top tier jets currently.
S - F-15JM, F-15C/Baz M, J-10A
A - F-16C, F-16C Barak, Gripen C, Gripen HU, Mirage 2000-5F
B - F-16AM
C - F-16D Barak, Gripen C SA, Su-27SM
F - J-11A
I don’t know what the SU32 is, as far as I know, the su33 does not have BVR capabilities, but then there is a modified model called “su33ub” that can launch the R77. Because both the J15 and F18 have top-of-the-line radar and capabilities, it would be unfair that the SU33 base model could not launch the R77.
I also remember some test showing before the release than the M4K winned EVERY 1vs1 in the game, even the Gripen, but this quickly go under the radars :(
And? That’s not DOA, that’s about on par. You have better flight performance in exchange for having fewer missiles. Perhaps it won’t be meta, but saying it would be DOA is an exceptional exaggeration.
The Korean public freaked out over sharing intel on North Korea with Japan over concerns of rearmament being a greater threat then China, and this was in like 2012. While relations are improving, they are far from the point of a S. Korean sub making sense.
The only way that is true is if the Eurofighter has comparable flight performance to the F-15, and everything I’ve seen online indicates superior performance. The Typhoon will have, at worst, missiles that are on par with the F-15, calling that fight fair is a stretch.