Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

Thailand doesn’t have good 9.x air options nor 12.x ground options.
Thailand maxes out at 11.3 for ground, and has a hole in air.

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Even some of it is intentional as well. Like people complaining about Fox-3s and they are all massively nerfed (even the Aim-54)

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Gaijin forgot that it isn’t 2022 anymore and the AIM-54 doesn’t have to be artificially gimped as it no longer is in the weird spot of being the only Fox-3

Now the F-14B with it’s AIM-54/AIM-9L shares the same BR as AIM-120/AIM-9M carrying AV-8B+, which yes… is a subsonic, but it handles pretty good in my experience and it also has all-aspect radar and very good gun.

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It was never artificially kept down to begin with.

also has nothing to offer for anti-air except an m163 for the 7.3

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Besides, most of the time when adding subtechtree, they just take vehicles already in the game and put the country’s colors on them, sometimes adding nothing new.

Damn, new leak already?

Ok and? China already has North Korea, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and even options for Iran and some African countries. Why does China need Singapore and potentially Indonesia like the leaks claimed?

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it doesnt mean the others gets all, and the Singapore leak is being farther and farther to a real one, also, no clue for Indonesia.
besides, exported vehicles is not sub, it’s like saying Canada be Germany’s sub because the L2A4M.

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China was leaked to be getting a Singapore Leopard 2. I’m curious when China exported the Leopard 2 to Singapore. Also the only group of players I’ve actually seen try to restrict exported vehicles from being added to a tree was Chinese players when it came to the Thai VT-4 in the Japanese tree.

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so you didn’t understand what I said

this ↓, is reply to this ↓↓, except the North Korea and Iran(why is Iran here?) which is not user of exported vehicles, but no clue for them too.

so what’s difference, L2A4 to China and VT-4 to Japan, or L2A4M to UK(didn’t happen but this idea was againsted).
and I’m sure similar things happen before.

those copy-paste vehicles shall never exist.

Before vt4a1 get out, I may say no. I think on one like their unique weapon go to other countries before they get it.
But now, just take it bro. 1200hp with fy-2, may be at 11.3?

Idk if you are using translation software, but honestly yes, it is hard to understand.

Iran was one of the first major customers of Chinese equipment along with Iraq. They bought thousands of tanks and APCs including Type 59/69 and hundreds of J-6/J-7. Most sources generally put Iran in 3rd in terms of largest consumers of Chinese military equipment after PK and NK.
https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/meria/meria598_gill.html

You may feel that way, but there are still people out there who refuse it and actually think that if Japan got a Thai VT-4, they would be getting a better one than China even though the Thai VT-4 is even worse than a base VT-4 and much worse than the VT-4A1.

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With 4S/600+deep penetration, who would go play with 7.1/577 deep penetration? no one

Someone needs to make one for the S-70. “Sorry, i was lagging” or something. Every stealth aircraft lost MUST have a snarky poster, i don’t make the rules

Yeah it does, you’ll get an F-86L, one of the Sabre dogs, which is absolutely a good plane. And if you’re worried about ground attack, which is, honestly, what Japan needs more, you get alpha jets at 8.7.

Don’t they have the T-84? Regardless, I don’t think Japan needs more MBTs. While they are certainly on the smaller end, as it stands they have as many 12.x MBTs as the US, Italy, Britain, and Russia.

They don’t, and it wouldn’t make sense for China to get them. Singapore would make more sense to be put in the British tech tree owing to, from what I can gather anyway, being a former GB colony, the two parting on good terms, and the two nations having good relations today, including a defense agreement. If anybody knows better, please correct me. I don’t know where an Indonesian subtree would go, but my first thoughts wouldn’t turn toward Japan.

Which would still be more then Indonesia and Singapore from what I can tell. Far as I am aware, the only AA vehicles they have ever had are some trucks with MANPADS bolted on, which, while not nothing, could only be at brs 9.0+, which Japan doesn’t really need. Could they use a, like 10.0 SPAA? Yeah, but not to the point to needing a subtree for it, and I didn’t exactly do particularly extensive research, so there are probably others you could add from Thailand, especially for armored cars with MANPADS strapped to them.

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So what is the significance of investing energy and time in developing the German technology tree? It lacks any unique features, while other technology trees have better performance on the same vehicles, incomplete systems, and no future. Can you refund me the money so that I can make a new choice?

Kinda? I dont really know to be honest, far less connection than someone like Canada at the very least I think

It is a commonwealth nation at the very least, and I will admit, has a few vehicles like the Hawker Hunter F.74S Id enjoy getting. and I think its not the only export vehicle. But as a Full Sub-TT, no Britian really doesnt need Singapore.

Japan is really desperate for a Sub-TT and I think an ASEAN sub-TT would be the best option and I cant think of another option that is viable. Also, doesnt mean they will get every single vehicle from every single country, like Britain doesnt even have something like the Buccaneer S.50 from South Africa yet, both an export vehicle and a sub-TT vehicle. ASEAN just gives Japan the most amount of choice to pick and choose.

Also, nations like Singapore dont really have anywhere else to go imo, China has way better options for Sub-TTs, if they need any at all. Considering they are technically already 2 nations.

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