Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

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Won’t know exactly till they post their announcement.

GR.4 like “apex predators” update wont even be in the same ballpark as the Su-34 and F-15E

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Just because it isn’t the best CAS of the update doesn’t make it not a top tier strike aircraft

It would be if the Brimstones were FnF, but because of the illogical reasoning used to nerf them into oblivion, the GR.4 is instead going to be barely better than what Britain already has.

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I found it interesting that the Patriot launcher was able to rotate in the teaser, it currently doesn’t have the animation nodes to support that:
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Compare to MIM-23 launcher, which does have those animation nodes:

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What makes it top tier? Brimstones…
Vs 20 GBU-39 glide bombs or the Kh-38 on the Su-34.

If Brimstones act anything like Hellfires do in game (which they likely will) The PGMs will be the best weapon any Tornado has for Ground battles.

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HMD and Aim 9M…Yay that will save it from R-77 and Aim-120 mounted to the F-15E and Su-34

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It’s not like these will be very good in ground battles if we only get the GPS guided ones lol.

Hope these and the new runways are in, dang they look so nice…finally rearming wont be a DEATH sentence XD This would also be a amazing objective to KO the enemy team SAM cover :)

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Inertial navigation and GPS testing they can hit a target going 80kph

I dunno, depends how you use it I guess?

If you can spam them off to blanket a cap/spawn zone, I can see them wrecking a lot of the thinner skinned SPAA systems/lights.

If you decide to use it with a buddy or 2… and say, 1 or 2 of you spam them out, flooding radars with these lil sods while a “real ground attack plane” comes in with proper weapons using them as cover? That could be pretty meme too. Afterall, Pantsir cant fire at you if its too busy wondering what the hell is going on with all the micro bombs.

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I don’t know what to think of the Patriots making an appearance in the trailer. They are just way way stronger than the Pantsir to be a viable option for ground RB. Possibly for air RB but even then the certain death bubble is insanely huge (compared to the current Rolands)

Yeah they are great to flood radars (will probably be fun to troll pantsirs that way), but with ~30kg of tnt equivalent it’s not really going to damage a lot of vehicles. You pretty much need a direct hit to kill stuff.

Assuming we get the normal gps guided ones that don’t track moving targets.

US Air Force orders Laser Small Diameter Bombs from Boeing

They have the ability to be lased too

I read that there are seperate laser and gps guided versions.

Like I said, it will depend which version(s) Gaijin adds to the F-15E.

I get a lot of British mains are upset that the Brimstones aren’t accurate to what we know of their irl capabilities, but what Gaijin decided to do with em makes sense. The Brimstone would be even more OP then the OP Russian one, and would make top tier ground suffer from CAS more then it already does, so restricting it to the not completely busted mode makes sense.

By being a 7th rank aircraft and being at the end of the CAS line for Britain.

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Nobody is upset at not having the I win button, people are upset at how gaijin, once again, are taking a British system, nerfing it by removing real life capabilities and just going “deal with it” in a way that is non conforming to how other systems get dealt with. (feels like forcing Challenger to use stock APDS all over again lul)

Near every other system with too advanced a targeting system, such as man in the loop etc get fire and forget as a “in place” system to balance them, but brimstone didnt.

It isnt reasonable when you consider that what, a dozen weapon systems used by other nations got X, but when it comes to the UK and Brimstone, no no, they cant get X, they must get Y, which is inferior. I ask you, how would brimstone be more OP being effectively a smaller FnF maverick?

I really wish people would stop making this strawman argument of “the brits want the i win button LOAL ability” when that isnt what brits are asking for lol.

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Like the CR3 td is a top tier tank… Gaijin can put it whatever rank they like with its current ordinance options its marginally better than the GR.1 (it might not even get PGMs!)

Brimstone is a scary weapon, we cant keep nerfing removing capabilities of weapons we don’t like.
I don’t like that the Pantsir dominates the sky. I dont like the Leopard 2A7 doesn’t die when you shoot it.
with anything that’s British. If the game wasn’t ready for Brimstone don’t add it.

The justification from the devs when Russian Su-25 with 20km missiles routinely end top tier games.

I know, I’ve been missing a helicopter in my TTD setup for a long time.

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