Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

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yeah but it’s not the best so he doesn’t acknowledge it apparently,
the only thing Germany lacks RN is a good multirole fighter and a good dogfighter with ARH missiles

Germany doesnt deserve Poland let me put it that way. They can get Swiss F/A-18C as a filler but only when other operators get it too.

In this update you wont be falling behind in A2A department despite additions such as F-15E, Su-34 or Mirage 2000D RMV as these vehicles bring nothing new into air combat. In fact they’re taking away from it more than anything.

You can easily wait thru this patch without suffering from lack of 4th gen FOX3 carrier.

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By the time you get to Dunkerque it shouldn’t be an issue, particularly after playing Bretagne.

Yes that one.

Yeah I haven’t got much confidence in that. They could also add the Normandie class but I don’t like them. Ideally Dunk and Stras for TT along with a Normandie and a Lyon and then another Normandie for premium.

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If i’m not dead inside to play something harder and meeting ships that can vaporise just from looking at me, and all i can do is remove their paint xD

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I agree but both for TT is best.

You are confusing it with the third Richelieu class ship Clemenceau

But that’s good news for that BR for France as the Richelieu’s are relatively powerful though only Richelieu herself has a good reload. But still that’s a full lineup of 3 ships.

I am still crossing my fingers that Gaijin will allow Alsace as she is a gorgeous ship and Littorio UP.41, then France and Italy get good Iowa-level ships.

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Yes that one, nvm.

Can’t wait for Richelieu, i hope it don’t come AFTER the other big boy (even if Richelieu herself have the best reload, i want the Jean Bart with post WW2 refit to make a no fly zone on some km xD).

Actually since we are far behind would be nice to have them first, like the Scharnorst is meta since years :p

Would be nice if they allow Alsace but i doubt this happen, they need to change their rules for that :/

Ignore me, I thought Jean Bart was sunk at Mers-El-Kabir, I forgot it was Richelieu at not even Mers but Dakar, and that she was just disabled. Basically after the Richelieu went to America, the Brits and American’s funded for them to have a refit which amongst other things, gave them good loading mechanisms so they could fire at up to 2RPM.

Its only Clemenceau which would have an RoF of up to 1.4RPM but there is an argument that had she had been finished she would also have been modified to fire at at least up to 32 second reload.

They said prior they would consider ‘completed designs’ so whilst I can’t suggest her, I can still hope she is added, she basically keeps Richelieu’s good side armour (due to it’s angling), and adds an extra quad to the rear, clearly a very powerful ship.

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Richelieu got indeed a cool US refit with a lot (30ish something like that, if not 40s, can’t remember) of 20mm and 14x quad 40mm bofors


But i’m talking about the Jean bart post WW2 when i talk about making a no flight zone on the map


9x 152mm + 24x100mm + 28x 57mm, all radar assisted and with proxy fuzes, it’s a glorious no flight zone :p

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F-111 is a multirole aircraft though, and even if it wasn’t, that doesn’t stop the F-15E from being it’s replacement. It’s a sidegrade to the F-15C as opposed to being a direct upgrade, so it makes the most sense to place it at the end of the bomber line. The whole point of the strike eagle is to be an F-15 with CAS capabilities, it doesn’t make much sense to be after the F-15C.

Please tell me it could actually fire that missile. I want to see funni biplanes launching missiles in air RB.

If France had these I would actually try French coastal. I love derpy vehicles, especially when they can be effective.

Leaks have been right on the money so far, I’d actually be surprised if we don’t get it at this point.

Leak lists aren’t the full list of vehicles being added, and given Gaijin’s trackrecord, i’d expect at least some copy paste vehicles from at least the midtiers.

Poland has enough vehicles to be it’s own tree, and even if it HAD to be a subtree, Britain would make more sense to host it, seeing as how they played host to the Polish government while it was in exile.

Because Germany has better options for subtrees, such as Argentina.

Yeah, that just doesn’t make sense. So far India has been only even/premium vehicles (and the squadron T-80) and that has been considered a British subtree, yet Argentina, who has a number of vehicles IN THE RESEARCHABLE TECH TREE isn’t considered a German subtree.

Because Germany isn’t in as bad as a situation as Japan was when they added in the F-16J, which was added because Japan needed some form of top tier CAS. Germany has MiG 29s and the F-4 ICE for air superiority, and the Tornado for CAS. Are they in a good situation? No, but nowhere near as bad as Japan.

Besides, it would be better to just give Germany Argentina as a subtree. They have plenty of their vehicles as it is, and it would be better to give them Argentinian operated F-16s then it would be to give them something they didn’t have.

Seeing as how it looks like Japan is getting a Thai tree, it would’ve been better, in retrospective, to give them a Thai F-16.

The only resources those Leos are getting is for a new camo. The bigger issue with the BeNeLux subtree is that it takes up a line that could’ve been a line of French vehicles, even if it would’ve taken longer for a fifth line to arrive.

Same reason why GB mains didn’t want SA at the time, it took up a line that could’ve been British vehicles, though SA had 0 copy-paste vehicles from what I recall, so they had more of a point there.

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Exactly why I want USS North Carolina

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Pain

Give it another 45 min I reckon then we can say no I think

Then again the playlist usually says “Last updated today” on teaser days

this may be the first dev server i miss

I’d say give it until around 5 PM EST (so about another 2hr 40min).

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Thats also true it is earlier in the week then normal so maybe later drop

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Can u remake these damn shit maps gaijin ???
It’s not CS:GO

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I want the OG OG Hurtgen back where one team spawned on top of the hill and the other spawned behind the city

You’re partly mistaken. Richelieu was indeed damaged at Dakar but quickly repaired, then after Dakar became a Free French port, it sailed to America where it was overhauled. Jean bart managed to flee Saint Nazaire to rally Casablanca in 1940 while it was finished at 50% (The workers worked day and night for two week to make it sea worthy, and it escaped mere hours before its dockyard was taken by the Germans. Its escape is quite fascinating.) After that, it remained at anchor in Cassablanca, where it fought the US/English fleet during operation Torch with its only working turret (The famous duel with the USS Massachussets). It was heavily damaged by US shelling, but since it was half finished and mostly empty of ammunition, all of it was repairable. It remained anchored at Cassablanca during the remainder of the war, giving some of its equipment to the Richelieu. It was only after the war that it came back to France, where the French navy, after wondering if they had to transform it into an aircraft carrier or a hybrid, decided to complete the Jean Bart with an enhanced AA artillery. Which was done in successive steps in 1947, 1949 and finally 1951, when Jean Bart officially entered service.

During Mers el Kebir, Bretagne was sunk, Dunkerque and Mogador were crippled and Provence was damaged. A logistic ship was also destroyed in an explosion I believe. All other ships, Strasbourg and its 5 or 6 destroyer escorts, managed to escape unscathed.

When it comes to Alsace, I’m not sure we’ll ever see it, except if Gaijin changes its rules. It was never laid down and its design was barely finalised, so it’s not likely. Even less than the British G3 or the German H class, which are borderline acceptable because some dude worked on a piece of metal for 2 weeks before the project was shut down. I don’t know about the Littorio UP41, but I’m willing to bet it’s a Littorio with 16 inch guns ? If that’s the case, I don’t think we’ll see any of that either, except again if Gaijin decides to change rules. Thing is, they only bent rules so as to be able to complete the Soviet navy with the Kron and down the line, obviously, with the Sovetsky Soyuz class, since their construction was quite advanced when they were abandonned… which is not the case for either French or Italian projects.

Ultimately, it’s Gaijin’s choice. We’re not above seing some changes down the line but… Not sure they will.

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In-game, the F-111 is not a multi role aircraft, it’s only good at A2G you cannot reliably do A2A with it, even in real life it had trouble doing so as we have seen when the navy tried to use it.

The F-15E is no bomber, even if it is used as one it makes more sense for it to be placed after the AV-8B since it’s a multi role strike aircraft not a bomber, this line has always been used for CAS/Strike aircraft i don’t see why suddenly those types of aircrafts should come in the bomber line. Except if they do actually transform the bomber line in a “Heavy strike fighter” line, I guess this is what gets you to think that the Strike Eagle might be placed there, in that case i don’t know and nothing can really confirm this to us before the official F-15E announcement.

If it is placed there tho, I think it’s pretty clear what gaijin intends for the future of the bomber line, and that Heavy bombers definitely won’t come in the near future at all.

I do hope you’re right tho and gaijin understands that the F-15E is a sidegrade of the F-15C and won’t be placed after the latter.