Truth be told I atcually like the weather we are having, some say it’s rubbish and not a proper summer.
But it’s better than baking to death at around 27 to 34.
In my time in the UK i loved the weather lol.
Idk what you guys complain about.
Here i am baking in 45°C and i hear you guys saying 27 is hot lol.
(All in good fun)
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Tbh my normal body temp is around 16 so I think I know where my ancestors came from.
Looking at you Danelaw and Vikings lol
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+1 as an Israeli styled tree
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+1 as long as it starts Rank IV/V onwards, below does not seems to existing compared to higher tiers.
Also, @slowmo21too could you please provide some information, and images, about Bhishma ? I’ve seen there’s three main models, Bhishma Mk.I, Mk.II and Mk.III, and your Tree has additional variants such as Bhishma SK, Bhishma TWMP, Biathlon Version etc. What are their specifications and differences ? And why is there a separate T-90MS ? Did India acquired T-90MS directly from Russia before local production ?
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Certainly! Here’s a general comprehension of the T-90 “Bhishma” Tanks Used by India:
T-90 Bhishma: Guardian(s) of India
Bhishma Mk.I:
The Bhishma Mk.I is the first rendition of the Bhishma series built indigenously in India, being first built in 2001. Essentially just a License-Built T-90S, although built with some indigenous parts, and seeing the use of the French Catherine-FC thermal sight. Unlike typical Russian T-90As, Indian Bhishma tanks do not include the well-known Shtora-1 passive electronic countermeasure system, as it was considered obsolete by the Indian military, rather having them replaced with additional Kontakt-5 ERA blocks.
Bhishma Mk.II:
(NOTE: Infornation Regarding the Bhishma Mk.II is sparce, so some information may be vague or ommited.)
The Bhishma Mk.II is a relatively-minor upgrade to the Bhishma series, mainly only seeing the further indigenization of parts used in the tanks and minor improvements to the tank in general, first being built in the early 2010’s.
Bhishma Mk.III:
(NOTE: Infornation Regarding the Bhishma Mk.III is also sparce, so some information may be vague or ommited.)
The Bhishma Mk.III is the latest version of the Bhishma to date, first being announced in May 2024, The Bhishma Mk.III sees significant upgrades, seeing a majority of its parts such as its thermals, engine, and LRF being designed and built in India, and now includes technologies and equipment found on India’s Arjun MBT’s such as its FCS, and is reportedly capable of firing the SAMHO ATGM and Mk.II APFSDS. Further technologies such as a APS, loitering munitions, and other upgrades are also planned for later production blocks.
Bhishma SK:
The Bhishma SK is simply a license-built T-90SK, being a Commander’s T-90, having upgrades to its radio and navigation systems, however still is near-identical to standard Bhishma tanks.
Bhishma TWMP:
The Bhishma TWMP is already found in WarThunder as a squadron vehicle for the British Tech Tree, Being a Bhishma Mk.I with the Indigenous TWMP (Track-Width Mine Plow).
Bhishma Biathlon Variant (2015):
The Bhishma Biathlon Variant is a Mk.II Bhishma Tank that sees the removal of components such as a its frontal ERA blocks, side skirts, and some internal components, with upgrades to its engine and FCS to compete in the annual Russian Tank Biathlon. As a result, the tank is significantly faster and more nimble than its frontline counterparts, at the loss of significant protection.
Bhishma II:
The Bhishma II is to be locally-produced T-90MS for the Indian military, seeing a majority of its parts to be indigenously designed and built. Funding and a procurement of licenses have been ongoing for the last decade, however have largely been put on hold due to the current Russian war in Ukraine.
T-90MS:
The T-90MS is the Russian export-variant of the T-90AM, largely meant for purchase by India, as a result being specialized to better function in environments found in India.
I hope this all helps! If you have further questions or I mentioned something incorrect, please let me know! And if you want similar explanations about other vehicles/series, such as the Ajeya or Arjun, do say!
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do you have any info on the T-90MS for India or the Bhishma II
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Iirc India dropped the plan to purchase T-90MS, they instead are upgrading the T-90S.
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That was an incredible read, thank you. It is hard to come by information about Indian tanks and modifications, again thank you.
Most certainly I would like to read about those, even other stuff too. This kind of informations legitimize the Tree, even more so if supported with images like you did.
Not directly related to Bhishma but still, would not it better if you had Rank VII premium like rest of the other nations ? Bhishma SK would do nice 10.3 premium and you could replace it with Bhishma Mk.I and Mk.II foldered in its place. Bhishma Mk.III and II would do as VIII researchables.
Another question, why is there a SK Early and Bhishma Late ? Why not just go with Mk.I/II/III ? And also you most definitely should add those informations to your main post, it is much more detailed and you can list every Bhishma separately, which in my opinion would help reader to learn about those me.
Yep! Here’s some basic info:
T-90MS: The Half-Way Point
The T-90MS is the sort of halfway point between the T-90A (Proryv-1) and T-90M (Proryv-3), specifically being a export variant of the T-90AM (Proryv-2), being first seen at the Russian Expo arms in 2011 and was first marketed in 2012 at the DEFEXPO conference in New Delhi.
The T-90MS (Or T-90AM) is essentially a modernized T-90A by installing a simplified T-90M turret onto a T-90A chassis, seeing upgrades to its engine, now up to 1,130 hp, New Relikt ERA placement, a 7.62mm RCWS system for the commander with improved thermals, and a new Sosna-U Gun sight for the Gunner, and electronic upgrades. A desertized T-90MS was tested in Kuwait in 2013, passing and marketed to India and Middle-Eastern countries.
The T-90MS was to be purchased by the Indian Ministry of Defense for local production as a replacement to the T-90S Bhishma tanks India already was operating, signing a $2.8 billion contract for India’s Ordinance Factory Board to produce the T-90MS in 2019, entering service as the “Bhishma II”. The contract has been since put on hold due to a variety of factors, such as pending negotiations for licensing and local investment, and the 2022 Invasion of Ukraine. In 2024, The Indian MoD announced that the contract will be on hold if not outright cancelled as India begins production of its Bhishma Mk.III tanks.
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Ok, To first answer your question, The Bhishma SK and Bhishma Late were created earlier into the making of the TT, before a proper deep-dive into the Bhishma tanks and their Marks. And I agree with most of your suggestions, and will include/implement these in a TT update soon.
Now per your request, The Arjuns!
Arjun: India’s Desert Archer
Arjun Tech Demonstrator:
One of the earliest photos of Arjun, this shows arjun when it was just a proof-of-concept tech demonstrator in 1989 after consulting with Krauss-Maffei to create a working prototype. The turret looks blocky due to experimentations with composite armor, however the chassis looks near-identical to the production-model Arjun Mk.1.
Arjun Mk.1 Prototype:
The Arjun Mk.1 (P) is one of the first prototypes of the Arjun, being built in 1993, having a more turret closer to the final model now features a raised gunsight, and was key in testing the new 120mm Rifled Cannon, and would lead to the creation of the PPS (Pre-Production Series) Arjuns, PPS-1 - PPS-14.
Arjun Mk.I Early:
The Arjun Mk.1 Early refers to the first limited-production run Arjuns based on the PPS-15, the final prototype and basis of the standard Arjun tank, PPS-15 built 1997 and the production run beginning in 1999. The Early Arjuns still used the sight found on the prototypes although now embedded in the turret 2A4-style and now has properly equipped GEN.1 Kanchan Armor, and now sees the inclusion of the commanders sight and roof MG.
Arjun Mk.1:
The Standard Mk.1 is the regular serial production of the Arjun tanks from 2003-2018, with slightly improved Armor, a much improved gunner sight, and the shifting of the smoke grenades to the rear of the turret, and better electronation of equipment (although this doesn’t really matter in-game), and is now equipped with the SAMHO gun-launched ATGM.
Arjun Mk.I VIRCM:
The Arjun Mk.1 VIRCM is a Arjun Mk.1 equipped with a soft-kill APS system designed by the Israeli-Company Elbit Systems, seeing its smoke launchers replaced with spectral smoke launcher mounted to the front of the turret and now is equipped with a IRCM emitter on the turret as well, similar to the T-90A’s Shtora system or the M1A1 HC.
Arjun Mk.II Prototype:
The Arjun Mk.IA prototype was first seen in 2018, being a Heavily-Upgraded Mk.I tank, seeing the addition of ERA and Composite blocks to the front and sides to the tank, a (TW) mine-plow, a upgraded gun and engine, new electronics, suspension, turret bustle, and GEN.2 Kanchan Armor. However with these additions, the Mk.IA prototype looses the commander’s sight and roof MG.
Arjun Mk.IA:
The Arjun Mk.IA is the most advanced Arjun tank to date, first seeing production in 2019, and is slowly replacing the Mk.I Arjuns currently in service. The completed tank now features a 12.7mm RCWS, a LWS, upgraded commander’s sights, and over 70 additional upgrades to the tank.
Tank-EX:
Tank-EX refers to the Tank-EX program, a military venture to bring India’s T-72 tanks to the new era by retrofitting modified Arjun turrets onto them. Tested in 2002, the program was cancelled due to being strategically unnecessary, expensive, and would prove difficult to preform maintenance on. Interestingly, The Tank-EX programs would see the testing of Israel’s LAHAT missile, however it was also abandoned, replaced by India’s SAMHO.
Karna:
*(Note, “Tank-EX”, and “Karna”, refers to the same tanks, however due to their being 2 variants, I chose to use the names to separate the variants, Similar in concept to how Abrams tanks are called “M1s”, but are also known as “Abrams”.)
The Karna tanks are the parade variants of the Tanks in the Tank-EX program, now seeing the inclusion of rubber tracks, a commander’s sight, and roof MG.
M-46 ACS (Arjun Catapult System):
The Arjun Catapult System is a Self-Propelled Howitzer that is in service by the Indian Army, replacing the previous Vijayanta Catapult Platform. Using a Arjun MBT hull with the turret replaced by the same rearward-facing Soviet 130mm M-46 Howitzer, the Catapult System sees much improvement in its protection and mobility. 40 systems are currently in service alongside the K-9 Vajra SPH.
Here ya go! Again if you have further questions or I mentioned something incorrect, please let me know! And if you want similar explanations about other vehicles/series, do say!
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Could you go over the Vijayantas? I can’t find any reliable info about the differences between each variant
India is just one of those nations that should have been its own tree. It’s a bit rougher for air-side but if Israel can work then why not. I think Gaijin is going a little too far into the whole “sub-tree” thing. Canada would’ve been a better sub-tree for the UK as there’s not enough vehicles for Canada to be sufficiently its own tree. The Canadian leopards would’ve fit fine after the Vickers Mk. VII. It’s completely possible to see an Indian tree in the future, they’ve done major shifts before and one can take Gaijin’a word with a grain of salt as they’ve shifted there positions on stuff they said was “final” quite a bit before.
Side note, I hope they take the Zorawar chassis and make an IFV platform out of it.
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It certainly has potential. I think the tree would probably be better if it started at rank IV, perhaps pull in the Sherman SA-50 and Sherman D-56T and a couple other similar BR vehicles like to how Israel has the 4.3 TCM-20 at Rank IV. In addition, we can add Bangladesh and/or Myanmar to the tree since I believe they have pretty decent relations with India.
Either way, there are some people who believe that all possible tech trees and vehicles have been exhausted for addition, doomposting about how the game is going to die or certain trees will stop recieving support. Maybe top tier will reach a standstill at the rate we’re going, but there are still plenty of WW2 vehicles left to add for existing nations, and even unimplemented trees such as this one show huge potential for postwar and beyond.
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Or Jordan, cause Jordan has modified Challenger mk2 and CVR(t).
Jordan has more British-like vehicles than India.
It would be very stupid if Jordan doesn’t come to Britain. "But Britain will Receive India " 🤣
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Till date, no foreign countries operate the T-90MS … its a common misconception that India operates them.
Did you not read
The exports of it have been a issue
Kuwait wants T90MS
We have only one Kuwait vehicle in game.
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in British TT 😁
1 word canada, honestly doesnt mean anythign where vehicles already are