This is not the first time I’ve seen this photo, but I’d love to know what hit the tank, and if the destruction was recorded. It’s not uncommon to see either side scuttle tanks after they’ve been disabled so that the other side can’t recover them.
Malachit wants a word with you
and im sorry to shatter your dreams mate, but by 1999 (DM53 introduction) the west had figured out (thanks to the swedish tank trials) how heavy ERA works and how to counter it. DM43 was dismissed as a service round because of this fact.
why do you think the russians started to develop hardkill APS that can ‘‘supposedly’’ intercept KE threats before they hit (on the T-14)
like common mate. there are pics of BVM’s in Ukraine getting penned by an unknow KE round in places that in WT would be a no pen.
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All current NATO ammo can mount anti era tips no?
All current NATO ammos do mount Anti-Era tips as standard.
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“Physics calc” what a load of utter bollocks
If they can get Tandem ATGMs to work they can get Anti-Era tips to work in a similar fashion
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Yeah, Kontakt-5. Which it can defeat. Haven’t said it couldn’t.
Because single stage western penetrators can just keep getting longer until they can defeat whatever armor Russia develops, so they’re trying to defeat it differently now?
Go preview the BVM, do protection analysis, and run the DM-53, it pens in that exact spot, and at least kills the driver in most shots, I’ve even had it go all the way through and hit a round at the back of the carousel.
Suprise mate. “Tandem ATGMs” is another algorithmic calculation, it just gets and advantageous multiplier against ERA. There are zero modelled physics on the penetration/protection side in this game. Period.
So why cant that be applied for rounds with a Anti-ERA tip?
this shows how little you know
53/63/73 all share the same penetator. what was changed is the propallent and therefor the operating pressure
KE2020neo (DM83) will have a new penetrator)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556827365909594152/1183064225262878731/61d77c260d6b12eab61b985c957759b0f1b163eb.png?ex=6586f96b&is=6574846b&hm=0d3fa9988ebf93375ed33ab94f720587c2e6485803eb06ea60831798c90f14f3&
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I never said it can’t, as in not possible. It just won’t happen because the sheer amount of complex polygons that have to be modeled and rendered for EVERY projectile to try to penetrate ANYTHING in game. No one’s computer could do that.
If you look at XYZ or some of the other youtubers who like to model penetrations with the most fidelity short of actually shooting the damn armor with the cannon in real life, you’ll see what I mean. It’s common to hear stuff like, sorry guys, the formula wasn’t working and crashed after the second day of computing the penetration. Some calculations take DAYS.
I’m not a compsci guy, I don’t know if there’s a way to fix this, or a happy medium. For now, you get algo pen, not real physics.
Because you never know what you might run into, and maintaining a high end capability forces money to be spent on coming up with solutions or otherwise having an unexpected capability. 73 Easting still happened after all. Especially with the budgets available and shear scale of the MIC its not an issue for the US / EU, funding would be made available to pursue such a program.
No it fails at the first hurdle, where it is missing the 2nd EFP charge entirely(due to game engine limitations), The -2B’s ERA bypass, not Defeat mechanism, bypass. Works due to the spatial separation of the line of action of the Twined charge mechanism providing a time delay between impacts for the ERA to action on the impact of the forward charge and then after some time the second is triggered at the appropriate point in time to subsequently penetrate the now unprotected roof / armor array, since most service ERA is not multi-hit capable.
And magically, unlike all other Tandem Warheads it doesn’t get bonus penetration due to the precursor charge.
Also now that it’s been mentioned why isn’t ERA’s protection also reduced from real protection figures to account for the fact that shell’s depend on the Penetration Formula, not known penetration, in order to make things fair anyway.
The only problem with that Ukrainian propaganda photograph is that we never saw if the hole extends into the crew compartment. That tank did not necessarily get destroyed from that hole on the front of it. Its a trash propaganda piece. I wonder why the other side was never shown or why they never stuck a pole in it
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What I can tell you is that T80 was hit by APFSDS.
In the game no tank can hit the T80 there.
He asked for data about reality…
I guess in war thunder we will have to wait to get better kryptonium apdfsds to penetrate the stalinium. (I can’t give real data other than the previous photo).
Excuse me for not being a wehraboo lol. It’s all still 570mm in case length, so the rod is still the same length, all they’ve done then is change the propellant again? Redesign the rod itself? And all we have to go on is an advertisement line? I don’t mind if this is good enough to add it to the game, but remember everything gets balanced, and this isn’t a full-fidelity sim game. Also be cautious of double standards. I just saw in the reddit someone complain because a UVZ advertisement for the T-90MS mentioned that it had a spall-liner, and the dude complaining literally said: “wow, a promo advertisement is taken as a primary source, and it’s from Russia, so it’s guaranteed to be propaganda… something something gaijin something something Russian Bias”.
As an Australian I disagree for post WW2 vehicles they should be in the US tech tree.
But you just said its a Modifier not a Physical thing?
If its a calcualtion why would it be a problem if this is already running for things such as Tandem ATGMs?
Like your giving me non answers or just ignoring my points or re-iterating the same bollocks
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More cope
Shells and vehicle that doesnt even in service
And we dont even need “deckassified dicuments” to have it in game.
Mystery…
He asked for data that does not exist. Otherwise, this is a game and it’s up to gaijin to find “a certain balance.” That’s what my intervention was about.
Whether Ukrainian propaganda or not, the tower is not in place so I deduce that it flew through the air.
It was blown by UFO, ok?
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No, you’re not understanding what I’m saying. There are no physics calculations like mass and velocity that go into determining penetration. They take penetration values, and then do a pass/fail based on if there’s an armor modifier.
It reads something like APFSDS Pen: 356mm ----> Armor 250mm (Against CE: 120%, against KE: 100%). The ERA adds to it, they approximate the percentage protection. They don’t model a plate of metal with explosive underneath it and then see if when the round goes off, if it’s deformed by the armor, or if changes course and doesn’t penetrate as well etc etc.