What BR would you put it though? There’s other vehicles that fill its role perfectly fine in the US tech tree and in other tech trees, I don’t really see why you’d want another flavour of M109G, besides you speak like you don’t know about how HE works on T-34s, you can overpressure the LFP and still hit between the tracks to completely kill the tank no matter what, the turret has a massive cheek weakspot which you overlooked and can be just fired at an almost 90 degree angle by most HE carrying vehicles and overpressured, not to mention the T-34 1943 and T-34-57 1943 models weakness of a 51mm turret ring that is largely exposed, adding onto that the giant vent that a T-34 has on its back that you can (again) hit at an 80 degree angle and be fine.
Why would you want other nations to suffer from one nation getting a slightly better vehicle at a lower BR than it should be/a copy of a good vehicle with slightly worse stats? It’s like asking to move the t-34-57 to 3.0 - by making a copy of it that is weaker and only has a weak squeeze breech. It’s a “no screwing around” type situation - the answer is it will never happen (In this case due to BR limitations and giving cheaters an easy to access “No brainer” tank to use)
So, breaking news
Aiming for the turret is… Aiming for a weakspot!
So why wouldn’t I take out a heavy tank with something like an 88mm for that exact reason? I would have:
- Better armor
- Better turret traverse
- Faster-reloading gun
- More gun depression
- More consistent pen
Not being able to hit SPHs’ massive ammo racks with solid shot is pure skill issue. I’ve done it, I’ve seen others do it, it’s satisfying as hell to watch.
Aiming for the turret is not aiming for a weakspot what are you on?
You named an 88mm heavy tank, that’d make you play 5.7 automatically in the Tiger H1, for other heavy tanks in german tech tree you’d have the KV-IC which i think is a better comparison here as its 5.0 why would you take it out as it has no HE but APHE/APHEBC? You don’t need to aim with an HE shell, you can hit a 70 degree angle and the game wont give a crap. Also isn’t this thing just a really elaborate way to get a Tech tree version of the Brumbaar for the Americans? Same thought process for tiering and everything?
Who said ANYTHING about solid shot? I was talking about APHE/APHEBC Can you please learn to read before replying? The fuze on a Soviet/German 3.7-6.7 APHE isn’t enough to even ammo rack a M109, why would it be enough to ammo rack this thing?
What BR would you put this at, once again asking an important question nobody wants to answer because the compression is real.
My bad for not mention but, if I am aiming at the turret of an IS-1 and that player knows how to angle his turret while my shot is flying at them to the point of bouncing it isn’t that called NOT shooting at a weakspot since they can immediately change the weakness to a strenght? Wouldn’t a weakspot be, say the air vents on the ASU-57 for example that are like 3-5mm thick while the hull is 7mm? isn’t that a weakspot since its static and you cant remove it no matter what?
Also we already had this in Aug 23 2023 so I suggest just waiting until that is either confirmed added or confirmed as not being added.
Once again, funnily enough, for most SPHs it is. They tend to have different sets of weakspots they need to aim for than most tanks :P
“You can hit a 70 degree angle and the game won’t give a crap”
…Yes? Because that’s how HE shells work? Not to mention, the German 75mm on that KV-1C already has absolutely cracked performance, similar to the M4’s 76mm but on a chassis with actual armor.
And the Brummbar? Funny enough, also has actual armor (and a far bigger gun) compared to the M52. It’s lacking a turret as a tradeoff, sure, but doesn’t that mean you’re just whining about the potential addition of something Germany already practically has?
…You do realize that if you’re actually hitting the ammo, over pen doesn’t matter, right?
Go into test drive with whatever tank you’re having problems with. Fire whatever round you want at the ammorack of the tissue-paper-armored SPAA near spawn. Watch in amazement as it detonates anyways.
In-match, vs artillery? You have higher-velocity, faster-reloading, lower-drop rounds to do this.
In terms of BR, I’d say .3 above the Brummbar, I guess? So 4.7.
This dude is keeps saying M109G, when China doesn’t even get any SPH’s besides PLZ.
I think he’s just coping at this point.
There are already a lot of vehicles that have even more powerful HE at lower BR. they are not “breaking” the gameplay. let’s have a look
Sturer Emil = BR 4.3, 37mm HE with 880 m/sec and a APCBC-HE, 15 sec reload, some fromtal armour
15cm sIG 33 B Sfl = BR 1.0, 61 mm HE with 240 m/sec and a HEAT round, 11 sec reload, low profile
Lancia 3Ro = BR 1.7, 27mm HE 399 m/sec with 10 sec reload, HESH and HEAT available
Zrinyi II = BR 2.7, 27mm with HE 471 m/sec, HEAT available, 10 sec reload, good armour
KV-2 = BR 3.7, 48mm with HE 530 m/sec, SAPHE available, 33 sec reload, good armour
Brummbär = BR 4.3, 61 mm with HE 240 m/sec, great armour, 17.2 sec reload
Lorraine 155 Mle.50 = BR 4.3, 61mm with HE, 563 m/sec, 20.00 sec reload
Ro-Go Exp., BR 1.7, 25mm with HE, 580 m/sec, 10 sec reload
Ho-Ro, BR 1.3, 55 mm with HE, 290 m/sec, 14 sec reload
Spj fm/43-44, BR 1.7, 48 mm with HE, 285 m/sec, 15 sec reload
there are plenty more powerful derp guns already in the game and nearly all of them are lower BR than the T-34 and It still works and everyone is happy with it. They turn out to be so effective that nearly no one uses them with those rounds when other rounds are available. and seldom does someone bring them in the up-tier.
so I do not think there will be any issue with the T-34. in fact, the T-34 will be pretty effective against it.
the M52 has a turret it’s true, but the turret can’t turn on 360. and the driver is in the turret too, a single APHE hit is likely to kill half the crew no matter where it hits on the turret and there is ammunition everywhere around the crew. this tank will not be great at surviving. yet some people worry about the T-34 being suffering. a bit like the AMX ELC bis. It still has a better traverse but it’s not like a full turret. I am not sure if the trade is worth the lack of armor.
Sturer emil gets one shot by most tanks at its BR and the “some frontal armor” is not a thing, what are you on about?
15cm sig has no armor and can be machinegunned by even the french 7.7mm
Lancia 3Ro has horrible angled performance and a central ammo rack, the gun also has slow turret slew rate, HESH and HEAT dont matter if it cant do any damage to enemies at its BR half the time
Almost nobody uses the Zrinyi II anymore, It also doesn’t have good armor, as soon as its fighting more than 1 tank it is at a huge disadvantage.
KV-2 Is a derp tank, again super slow turret slew rate, like no gun depression and it’s playing against PZ IVs that can easily pen it, your “good armor” argument really isn’t making any sense here as the LFP and Frontal Flat face profile of the tank are easy to pen even with 75 Shermans.
Brumbaar is a premium vehicle asshat, also it’s at 4.7 in arcade and only 4.3 in Realistic, where a lot of things are lower BR than they should be, Not to mention you cannot angle unless you’re corner peeking with the thing and the tracks have less HP than on a KV-1.
Lorraine 155 is a bundle or gift, I’ve never played against it even once, it has horrible armor and suffers from Gaijin’s french tank syndrome.
Ro-Go Exp has no armor, again what is with you and mentioning tanks that are horrible? 25mm pen HE at this BR means you can only pen light tanks and early panzers, as soon as you run into a T-28E or a T-50 in an uptier you’re done for, not to mention theres tanks like the T-80 that can somehow deflect your massive HE shell.
Ho-Ro is the same as Ro-go but less extreme, it has some armor but it is easily flanked and the tracks have less HP than those on the BT-5, meaning you can easily 7.62 machinegun them with a single mag.
Spj has horrible frontal armor and horrible velocity, not to mention it’s at 2.3 in AB and lower BR in RB only because there isn’t that much of a 2.3 swedish lineup for realistic, again it’s not OP because you can just machinegun its tracks/hit the MASSIVE gun out.
It’s not like you could have a faster reaction than half of these vehicles RIGHT? It’s not like you can just flank around them, and take them out RIGHT? It’s not like the M109G has a quick enough turret slew to the point of being able to track an M24 RIGHT? All the tanks you mentioned have horrible slew rates/are casemates that require you to move around using tracks that can be taken out with minimal force.
Also what BR would you put your vehicle at? You’ve yet to answer this.
With that logic why would we even need it if there is SU100Y?
This is Hypocritical.
This again, is Hypocritical.
Same for M52!
This yet again, follows for the M52.
Yeta again, Hypocritical.
Same as last.
Spaical awareness and hearing are required.
Listen, if you argue with the same vehicles of the class as M52 (Weakly Armored SPH) your entire argument just vanishes.
When are you gonna get enough of your internet +1 in your notifications bar?
You never disproved the argument that other vehicles like the M109G M109A1 and 2S1 exist and are similar to the vehicle you’re trying to get added, It really doesn’t make sense to me why you argue those tanks are important when their playerbase is almost non existent, Just played multiple 5.7 matches and I can tell you that Sturer Emil is so utterly unimportant that it’s hypocritical you even mentioned that m52 would have no armor either, Point still stands, no Cold war era shit in WW2.
Well thats already not true.
And does China have a single one of those?
Maybe you’re just as blind as you are clueless.
You’ve yet to adress any points and you cherrypick the points that I make so you can favorably execute personal attacks on other users, It’s very obvious you aren’t here to suggest what the vehicle should be but rather to troll.
Does China have the SU100Y?
or Germany, USA, and Japan?
was this suggestion made for Russia?
the M52 is a glass cannon that fits a BR and nation where there is nothing like that. Russia and the other nations might have other things to offer. but this tank is not for russia, they never had one
the M52 will barely change anything
Current M1 shell
Improved M1 shell
having the M52 will barely make the weak spot of the current vehicles bigger than what it was with the M4A3 (105) which is almost never used to fight above his BR.
really I do not see why it would be a problem to add it in a proper BR.