M4A3E2 76 (W) is overtiered

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You might have heard about the M4A3E2 ‘Jumbo’. Its a tank with very strong armor and a weak gun and it’s very balanced at 5.7. However, his big brother, with a 76 mm gun, is quite overtiered. Let’s take a look and compare.

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The M4A3E2 76 W is the first heavy tank in rank IV of the US ground tech tree. It’s settled at 6.3. Now let’s compare a tank at the same BR. The Jagdpanther G1 is at the same BR, but much better, being at 6.3, being the first TD in rank IV of the German tech tree.
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I will compare these two in three factors. Armor, Firepower, and Speed.
Jagdpanther G1
Armor: the front of the Jagdpanther is 80 MM on a 55° angle, which is a effective 139 MM of armor. the sides are weaker, being 50 MM.
Speed: the Jagdpanther has a top speed of 46 km/h, a reverse gear of -3 km/h (which is absolutely terrible) and a power to weight ratio of 13 hp/t.
Firepower: The Jagdpanther has the powerful long 88 mm cannon, wtih the highest penetrating round having 279 mm of penetration (APCR). The stock round of this tank is the Panzergranaten 39/42, with 237 mm of penetration (APCBC).
Let’s take a look at the M4A3E2 76.
Armor: The hull of the tank is 101 MM @ a 46° angle, resulting in an effective thickness of over 150 mm. The sides of the hull is 76 mm. The turret is about 170 mm, as the sides are 152.
Speed: The maximum speed of the M4A3E2 is 35 km/h and a reverse of -5 km/h (a bit better) and a power to weight ratio of 13.2 hp/t.
Firepower: The highest penetrating round of this tank is the M93 shot (APCR), with 191 MM of penetration. The stock round is M79 shot with 135 mm of penetration (AP). The gun also has a vertical stabilizer which works up to 24 km/h.
If we rack up the points, the Jagdpanther wins with a 2-1 win. Gaijin, balance the 76 jumbo and put it at 6.0. Thank you.

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tnx no at a lower tier was a menance

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yeah but it used to fight leopards dun it

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No way, a tank destroyer wins against havy tanks, what are the odds?

Anyway 76 Jumbo got where it is for a reason.

That thing at current 6.0, which is akin to old 5.7, would be hands down best “heavy medium” for its BR.

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yeah, thats what these people want always. if there is anything thats better than their favorite vehicle in some areas its ‘‘overtiered’’

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It suffers from BR compression, just like a lot of other tanks at and around its BR. I don’t think it should be 6.0, because it might be too good there.

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It’s overtiered, but its previous bracket suffered heavily from compression, the M4A3E2 76(W) being part of the problem.
The current BR is a compromise. Use the gathered knowledge from the previous Shermans + the upgraded gun and use it as a flanking vehicle.
It’s not the most stylish playstyle (as most of flagship US vehicles are hinted to be used as that, sucking on the game’s influence department in the process) but it is what it is i guess.

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Honestly it would be fine at 6.0 considering that in a max downtier(already extremely rare), most of the 5.0s would either be able to frontpen it with relative ease, or simply flank it. The only real exceptions would be tanks that already suck, e.g the Chi-ri. Even then, Chi-ri v.s Jumbo 76 is more even than Jumbo 76 v.s Tiger 2, or really any German/Russian TD/Heavy tank at 6.7-7.3

Although I do agree that the only real solution is decompression.

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76 Jumbo is a “victim” of BR compression. Can’t go down, and has much, much better vehicles just .4 above it.

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not really if u know how to take it out ur good in a down tier tho but in a up tier its so hard to kill anything tho and ur gun is ass tho too in a uptier

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Ah, I can dismiss this post then.

M4A3E2 is a turreted tank, the Jagdpanther is not.
M4A3E2 is comparable to Panthers, for which the Jumbo has significantly more armor, a slightly weaker but stabilized gun, and a bit less mobile.
The armor and stabilized gun is why the Jumbo is 0.3 higher than the Panthers.

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define “most 5.0s”, because outside of VK 3002M, 17pndr (like on 4.7 Fireflys) or dedicated TDs seem to fail to pen its UFP.

its UFP shows that these 5.0 guns:

  • Russian 85mms cant,
  • German short 88mm cant (protection analysis with Pzgr 39 shows yellow but it fails to pen),
  • Japanese 75mm cant
  • italian 90mm cant
  • french 75mm L/70 cant (protection with POT-51A shows yellow but it fails to pen)
  • swedish 75mm cant
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lmao

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