Type 87/2S38 and Bradley are completely different in their role. Type 87 is very fast with a high fire rate autocannon, and the 2S38 has a very powerful dart.
Bradley is slower than most MBTs so it can’t flank effectively, and even when it does there’s no reason to not use an MBT instead, because the 25mm fire rate is slow and post pen is terrible, meaning there will be times where you catch an MBT side on and kill a crew member or two by not enough to disable, leading to it blasting you with APFSDS, leaving you to wonder why you didn’t bring an MBT yourself.
Bradley is slow, vulnerable, and cannot engage targets frontally with the autocannon, and if someone is close enough you won’t be able to use the ATGM either.
Literally the only advantage a Bradley offers over an Abrams is the hull down capability of the TOW launcher (and the IRST to use against low flying helis).
lol so this bullshit is why I got pinged.
No, I do not want the 2s38 at 10.3 because I believe it belongs at least at 11.0.
While the HSTVL has the mobility and survivability edge; the 2s38 more than makes up for it with more ammo, access to both HE-VT and APHE, higher fire rate, superior thermals, LWS, and IRST tracking. The 2s38 trades blows, and in some aspects, is superior to the HSTVL. In every meaningful way the 2a38 is completely superior to the M3A3, except for maybe the fact it lacks missiles (not like TOWs are good anymore anyways).
lol The fact your post portrays HSTVL belonging at 12.0+ is hilarious.
Begleit to 10.0, VCC-80/60 to 10.0, and of course Strf 9040C to 11.0 since those have to be correct.
HE-VT is useless against tanks. APHE is inferior to APFSDS against tanks. Fire rate isn’t that important.
It doesn’t have IRST, it has IR tracking which can’t track tanks thus useless.
HSTVL is drastically superior.
To think 2S38 is anywhere close to HSTVL in capabilities is Russian propaganda.
So are you going to double down and push Russian fanboyism, or accept reality?
You linked a 737 page document. Because I’m not a bradley crew chief, IM NOT READING ALL THAT.
Also, the document has a pay wall where i can only read a page for like, 7 seconds before it blocks it and tells me to buy the article. So you bring an excerpt and tell me the page number.
Honestly, I’ll take a hull down abrams with M829A2 over a bradley’s puny TOW-2A any day. 2B’s aren’t much better. Also, I’ll take M830A1 over the IRST too.
Literally does not. I wanna see your proof, im just not willing to watch countless ads to do so. I’m not playing a mobile game, im talking to some dude whos clearly not confident enough in his source. It really is not hard to go to your own document you found, take a screenshot or copy paste some evidence, and just post it here. As I did with the other guy who said the launcher folded automatically.
But it is very useful against helicopters and nearby aircraft. Shorter range munitions arent uncommon at 10.0, and the 2S38 can very easily deal with any low flying/slow target, unlike other IFVs.
Depends on the situation. On a flank, facing the right vehicles, it is 100% better due to its post pen damage.
You need to find a way to word this better. You aren’t believing RU propaganda if Gaijin gives them similar capabilities.
No shit Sherlock, it gets HE-VT as utility against air targets, which the HSTVL completely lacks.
In the current Warthunder that has abysmal post-pen for all “low caliber” APFSDS, the APHE can be quite good against side-on targets.
This is bullshit and you know it. The more effective rounds you can send downrange, the higher chance you kill your target before they can return fire.
In Warthunder IR tracking systems are referred to as IRST, this can be seen on the XM975 when switching to IR tracking mode. Tanks are not the only threat in Ground RB.
In mobility and depression, sure. In survivability, maybe. Everything else? lol, no.
What? So Warthunder is Russian propaganda now? I couldn’t care less about claimed performance IRL, I only care about how Gaijin models and implements vehicles.
You do realize that these vehicles have their BRs exclusively because of their anti-tank capability right? @YeeT_and_Delete
Post pen doesn’t matter if you hit ammo.
War Thunder doesn’t have the 2S38 at 11.0. 2S38 is drastically inferior to HSTVL in War Thunder just like real life.
HSTVL has a better round, it spalls armor double rate, it’s smaller, 2x acceleration, faster, better gun mechanics, better optics.
The exclusive thing HSTVL “lacks” is gen 2+ thermals.
But it doesn’t lack a significant amount of reload speed that the 2S38 has? You forget you are facing enemies that have spall liners in the HSTV-L. Before you come saying that it doesn’t matter who they face, they are individually statistically different, I would like to remind you that this is why vehicles are at the BR ratings they are at. It is becuase they are supposed to face enemies they are equivalent to, or even close to.
laughable. Lots of time ammo won’t explode and it just isn’t possible to hit ammo every time.
really?
not drastically, and tbh i’d rather have a .5 second reload time with a slightly worse round. The reload time is only 1/3rd in the 2S38 compared to the HSTV-L. Also, I see all your things saying the 2S38 is only at 10.0 because of its anti-tank capabilites, but I would like to say it is very nice to have something that can demolish tanks and works well against AA. Also, HSTVL lacks LWS, which is, now, significantly important to the survivability of tanks
Below 1.5 seconds it’s diminishing returns for reloading of auto-cannon guns.
99% of the time in my Begleit, VCC, and 2S38 these days I’m firing slower than 1.5 seconds cause better visibility.
Spall liners don’t matter cause I’m not trying to hit ammo with their armor fragments, I’m hitting their ammo with my round. I’ve fragged at least 2 T-90Ms, and 3 2A7Vs with my HSTVL. Easily handled no different than shooting Leopard 2A4s.
Not a feature in War Thunder currently. Real-life ammo such as DM63 is not present.
There is a slight chance for ammo to not explode for most vehicles last I heard. I see it happen on Tiger IIs somewhat often, and you can’t forget all the posts about it happening to a T series tank.
The bug that was fixed a while back was this.
However, I only experienced that bug in a custom match directly doing tests.
In random matches I never experienced that bug.
And the only bug I experienced related to ammo was the ammo storage bug where client is telling me ammo is there but on their client and the server, the ammo is not there. A bug Gaijin knows about and is working on a fix. That has happened to me <5 times, and ammo wouldn’t have detonated since it’s not there to begin with; a visual glitch.
did you process what I just said? I said “Lots of time ammo won’t explode” I am saying shooting ammo doesn’t explode it 100% of the time. This is a fact.
and killing those same tanks with the 2S38 would also likely work that way
thats a you problem. Those guns are meant to be able to be fired fast.
No, ammo does explode every time since they fixed the bug.
You’ll notice that every video is prior to the bug fix.
2S38 is half the acceleration speed, worse gun, worse optics, a tad larger, with worse gun mechanics.
The only thing 2S38 has is thermal generation cause it’s not from the 1990s.
Which reduces KDR and effectiveness.
The top speed =/= the speed you should shoot.
Go watch Cavenub since you’re claiming he his tactics are wrong.
sure, it can reduce KDR. But they ARE meant to be able to fire fast.
Now my main point of this response. Every post I see you on, you are basically rushing to defend the 2S38. This topic isn’t even about your precious little vehicle. I merely mention the 2S38, which, in comparison, is better than the M3A3. You rush to defend it and eventually turn this topic into a conversation thread about the 2S38. This wasn’t supposed to be about the 2S38. This was supposed to be about the M3A3 not being competitive at its tier.
Abrams crews are told not to “battle load” as in, hold onto a shell in their hand while waiting for the gun to fire, for a much quicker reload. As you can guess, it still happens.