Actually a somewhat sound take.
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This is arguably a pro, considering you don’t have to wait for the launcher to unfold.
Hmmm I guess there’s a tiny patch in front of the driver and some more next to the TOW missiles (which will explode regardless), so technically the Bradley has spall liner. In practice, no, it doesn’t.
haha, sure
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No and they need to add that it has to be level to shoot the ATGM´s in the first place and nto this handholding that you an do it on every incine and angel. Limit it more so it closer to RL.
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2S38 is used for AA and as a light tank. You have scouting, a literal UAV, proxy rounds, high penetration APFSDS rounds (for what it is). It is, in my opinion, a lower profile than the M3A3 (by this i mean your crew isn’t sitting in your turret.) you also have lazer warning (great for a spaa) which all contribute to why its better than the M3A3. What I am telling you right now is that the M3A3 isn’t suited for where its at. Its missiles are practically useless and its gun is also terrible. I agree the other tanks you mentioned are very powerful. I might even say the begleit is a better tank than the M3A3. It has a better profile and a better gun, only sacrificing .1 second in its reload speed for that extra penetration. not to mention it can also play AA. If you think the M3A3 is balanced and competitive at it’s BR, you’re delusional
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Dodgy upload of the -10 TM . Page 2-366.
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@MistaFin @YeeT_and_Delete
Weird of you to accuse people of being delusional for wanting 2S38 to be 10.3… aka gaslighting.
And give the idea that 10.0 is likely too compressed with IFVs.
can you not read?
I said “If you think the M3A3 is balanced and competitive at it’s BR, you’re delusional”
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The only reason to take IFVs like the Bradley or autocannon vehicles like Type 87 RCV and 2S38 over MBTs is to make use of the autocannon, which requires you to push flanks and use mobility. Sitting and back and sniping with ATGMs is a waste, you’re better off just taking an MBT, all of which have APFSDS and LRFs at this BR.
That said
The Warriors don’t even feel all that mobile anymore, even the basic 8.0 Warrior feels sluggish
IFVs will never be a meta pick without making them absurdly undertiered like the 8.3 Puma, they’re flavour vehicles at best. The BMP-2M is considered “competitive” or “OP” because it can fire on the move, as if that’s some novel concept at a BR where everything has APFSDS in much bigger guns with 2-plane stabilisers, usually on similar if not more mobile platforms.
BRs for most IFVs could still be looked at imo: 10.0 for the M3A3, VCC80-30 and Desert Warrior seems harsh.
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excerpt? page number? a screenshot? im not combing through that document with the paywall.
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If you can’t do you own googling, you can buy the copy on Amazon.
Or you can give me an excerpt from the document you brought up.
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lol. Are you spoonfed at home too?
Type 87/2S38 and Bradley are completely different in their role. Type 87 is very fast with a high fire rate autocannon, and the 2S38 has a very powerful dart.
Bradley is slower than most MBTs so it can’t flank effectively, and even when it does there’s no reason to not use an MBT instead, because the 25mm fire rate is slow and post pen is terrible, meaning there will be times where you catch an MBT side on and kill a crew member or two by not enough to disable, leading to it blasting you with APFSDS, leaving you to wonder why you didn’t bring an MBT yourself.
Bradley is slow, vulnerable, and cannot engage targets frontally with the autocannon, and if someone is close enough you won’t be able to use the ATGM either.
Literally the only advantage a Bradley offers over an Abrams is the hull down capability of the TOW launcher (and the IRST to use against low flying helis).
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lol so this bullshit is why I got pinged.
No, I do not want the 2s38 at 10.3 because I believe it belongs at least at 11.0.
While the HSTVL has the mobility and survivability edge; the 2s38 more than makes up for it with more ammo, access to both HE-VT and APHE, higher fire rate, superior thermals, LWS, and IRST tracking. The 2s38 trades blows, and in some aspects, is superior to the HSTVL. In every meaningful way the 2a38 is completely superior to the M3A3, except for maybe the fact it lacks missiles (not like TOWs are good anymore anyways).
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lol The fact your post portrays HSTVL belonging at 12.0+ is hilarious.
Begleit to 10.0, VCC-80/60 to 10.0, and of course Strf 9040C to 11.0 since those have to be correct.
HE-VT is useless against tanks. APHE is inferior to APFSDS against tanks. Fire rate isn’t that important.
It doesn’t have IRST, it has IR tracking which can’t track tanks thus useless.
HSTVL is drastically superior.
To think 2S38 is anywhere close to HSTVL in capabilities is Russian propaganda.
So are you going to double down and push Russian fanboyism, or accept reality?
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You linked a 737 page document. Because I’m not a bradley crew chief, IM NOT READING ALL THAT.
Also, the document has a pay wall where i can only read a page for like, 7 seconds before it blocks it and tells me to buy the article. So you bring an excerpt and tell me the page number.
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Alvis, here we go again. You do realize that tanks aren’t the only target people face, right?
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Honestly, I’ll take a hull down abrams with M829A2 over a bradley’s puny TOW-2A any day. 2B’s aren’t much better. Also, I’ll take M830A1 over the IRST too.
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You overestimate how much I care what you think. That you can’t bother to go look it up yourself means you are disingenuous.