I would like to have fixes and proper answer for Spall liner bug report.
So far Gaijin has only acknowledged those reports yet we got nothing in return.
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Oh gee, maybe people who’ve played actually excellent vehicles and deemed them so? I wonder why you’re the only person here with an opinion that the 120S is “excellent”…
Well to apply the argument being used elsewhere in this thread by the US mains you’ve never played the 120S so can’t comment on it.
Meanwhile I’ve played the 120S and both challenger 1 variants and say that the 120S outperforms them both handily. In fact being my best performing 10.0.
Also it hasn’t “always been this way”. Skill ceiling has always been what has determined how good anything is in any “competitive game” or “esports” game.
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Lol 'kay.
Meanwhile I’ve played the 120S and both challenger 1 variants and say that the 120S outperforms them both handily. In fact being my best performing 10.0.
Congrats, the Type 90 is my best performing 11.0, and it’s not a better vehicle than the M1A1. We can exchange how well we do in certain vehicles like this to no end if you wanna, I mean… it doesn’t even prove my or your point(s).
Also it hasn’t “always been this way”. Skill ceiling has always been what has determined how good anything is in any “competitive game” or “esports” game.
You are aware the “skill” we’re talking about here is the skill floor, right? Skill ceiling is about how good you can become at something, not how much skill that something needs to be used effectively. By definition 120S’ skill floor is much higher than M1s or Leopard 2A4s…
The CR1s have an actually existing reverse speed. Not saying that it is enough of an advantage to counteract the firepower and thermals disadvantage, but it’s a pretty big advantage nontheless.
There’s maybe two, at worst three MBTs (that I can think of off the top of my head) in that whole BR spread that M829A1 can lol-pen but L26A1 cannot (T-72B 1985, MBT-2K and… ZTZ-96A), and a whole lot more that neither can (B1989, ZTZ-99 II/III, T-90A etc).
Objectively speaking, the difference in raw performance when looking at potential opponents matters only for a select number of vehicles that 120S and Mk.3 can meet. The most common MBT models within that BR range can be snuffed out just as easily by both rounds.
i don’t get why your arguments never make a sense. Yes, at that angle which is basically any you can pen the turret cheeks of an Abrams. Did you just pick up the game yesterday?
That is untrue. He is saying that certain shells can only penetrate at a specific angle at a point blank range.
You are trying to give US a fair fight. It’s just not possible on this game. The turret ring of the Leos, and T series tanks are almost impossible to pen and point blank range. Abrams I mean we all know what happens.
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Any round on the game can penetrate a Abrams turret cheeks at a slight angle. Any top tier round. You cannot swing the turret in hopes to bounce a shot like u can on leo and t series. I have to face front and eat the shot on the gun or turret ring. If it doesnt kill you it will 100% disable you, and if you survive 100% of time you will lose 2 crews on one.
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And yes, before any of you say something stupid. I am a noob, I dont know nothing about the game.
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TL;DR:
- A guy claim M1A2 should have better armor and bring the some docs
- Necron debunked it and some guy even pointed out Gaijin overbuff the UFP (magic 38mm) but overall, M1 → M1A2 got it armor upgrade (DU = better KE protection compare to the base M1) where is’s obviously existed.
- Crawled to M1A2 Sepv2, a guy post some magazine and sources (from some sites) stated DU hull but then Necron bring more docs (from US FYI and early test full filled before production stage) stated that only 5 hulls was put into tested but was not sure that the whole M1A2 Sepv2 or it just M1A2 Sep or some random turret version put on a DU hulls.
- Then Spanish, Speciallist started bring T-series and even the poor man Chally 2, oh let not forget they bring T-90A into the argument without using all the stats but focus only in Armor and claimed Russian Bias.
- Necron started to replied every each of that and with a source, end up ignored by 4 guys that famously came to Reddit and every other nation thread just to claim Russian bias and DU hull.
- The whole thread turned into Russian Bias, this is the 7th threads end up Russian Bias but man, they are pure cope like people on Russian forum claimed T-90M has better reverse speed.
Can we all agree that Swedish Bias ?
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That’s a good synopsis of the thread. You’re now about to be lynched for this by the few you spoke of.
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Nah. All of it is nothing but subjective and biased twisted facts, but I am too lazy to develop a proper response since it will be shrugged off and ignored as always, so not bothering xD
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All of it is nothing but subjective and biased twisted facts, but I am too lazy to develop a proper response since it will be shrugged off and ignored as always, so not bothering
You’re right about this, the US mains that refuse to acknowledge the well structured and sourced arguments from Necrons are masters of this.
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Not the “no u” card…
Also, who’s refusing anything? The ones doing comprehensive bug reports with dozens of sources that made even the tech mod acknowledge that, even if the armor was improved, they just don’t know by how much hence they refuse to do anything instead of guesstimating unless a source with specific values was given… or the one who blocks everyone who disagrees with him? XD.
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Not the “no u” card…
Not my fault you perfectly described the people I mentioned. Also I’m not interested in your fabricated reasoning as to why your bug reports are being rejected. Maybe if you actually provided substantial and credible evidence for the changes you’re asking they would be accepted, but all of the “sources” that are incredibly weak and unverifiable have already been debunked by Necrons.
Instead of wasting time trying to handwave and bury people who are helpfully pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies in the “sources” and “reasoning” the US main subsect is trying to say prove without a doubt. If they spent that same time finding credible evidence and submitting bug reports it would be dealt with.
Alas.
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I argued with Necron before with T-90M and T-90A but still like the way he replied.
Each of it is a well written, good usage of text, split into seciton, post his source (at least his source, not his personal claim).
His source for the hulls also came from the docs of the US army tests and marked by US army, unlike some colorful magazine with pure text (DU hull and an arrow ???), this is the same with Gaijin refused many T-90A/2S25M reports, they straight up refused any media like megazines, forum post or non critical authors.
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I’m more amazed that he has the patience to spend the time structuring and sourcing his arguments when it just gets ignored and handwaved or reduced to “you’re just a US hater” by the same couple of US players every thread.
Frankly I would have given up trying.
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I only see it worse balancing a game over a bunch of kids who installed their game yesterday and bought Abrams premiums today.
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Could you DM me which ones?
I want to look into it.