M1a2s at top tier

You cannot.

3BM-60 is incapable of penetrating a DU-equipped M1 turret.
Not even when attacking at from a 30 degree angle and point blank range:

The very best shells can only achieve penetration when firing at a side angle, at which point you can penetrate virtually any turret of any tank at top-tier, so I don’t see why you’d pick on the M1 in that case.

Just like the M1’s, you’ll just have to aim for the mantlet weakspot.
This goes for nearly all top-tier tanks, so I don’t see why you’re picking on the M1 or T-series tanks here.

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If we go very technical iirc the Object 292 dart can pen the M1A2 loaders cheek from the front. However it’s an event vehicle and it’s not really close in performance to the M1A2s.

On top of what you said, the Object 292 is also outside of the M1A2’s BR range and thus not encountered much, if ever.

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yeah the du equipped, the rest go right through, not referring to just the 3bm60. yet its basically impossible to pen a T series cheek at any br.

T-80B’s turret is hilariously weak against even 10.7 ammo.

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One day gaijin might go joker mode and just ask for classified dokuments so we can have a properly modeled video game.

Surely nothing will go wrong, whats gonna happen anyways? Will america do a 3dso against hungary?

just cause it says it in the protection analysis doesn’t make it accurate. i have 100s of hours with these tanks and yes the turret cheek can be penned there. This tells me you havent played the m1a2 enough to realize that the turret armor is just as useless.

His Abrams is around 6.0 KDR, if anything he understands how to play those things better than most of you here lol

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Yeah, not on M1A2 family tho.

IMO the m1a1s are better for what they fight. the m1a2s fight way better tanks

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I know, his exceptional performance are on Abrams model that has either really good performance or Br placement.

Not to mention i highly suspect he has very campy playstyle that translate into those stats because if you look to his M1A2 stats he has 1-4 matches with 0 percent win rate but 4 K/D ratio, or better yet he’s T-80BVM/90M stats are trash compare to his other vehicles which most likely confirms my suspicions.

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His IPM1 is also 5.8, I’d say it’s pretty much confirmed that he can do it with any Abrams variants, 10.3 onwards the playstyle hadn’t changed much. If someone could do it with 6.0, which is actually not the first person I’ve seen who figured out how to play the Abrams, I would be surprised to see people struggle to hit 2.0.

If we want to be more productive, I can perhaps start an escrow to make our gentlemen’s wagers lol I’d say he would be at least >5.0 on the M1A2 if he were to play it. Place your bet guys

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I’d say you’re empty talking.

IPM1 and M1A1 faces much better MM and weaker enemies compare to M1A2 family.

It changes a lot.

Yea i also have exceptional performance with J35XS does that mean its compeletly fine at its current br?
Indiviual K/D’s doesnt mean anything, learn the difference.

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He got 0 percent win rate with 4 K/D ratio in 4 matches with M1A2, i’d say he pretty much adopted a very campy playstyle that has zero benefits for teamplay.

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And they never elaborate on this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1e5wr2f/why_did_the_first_m1_have_better_turret_ring_than/

10.3 M1 is much more playable than others M1s, period.

Just fix 11.0+ abrams ring already ffs

Apperently this is equal to asking invicible tank by communities eyes so its not possible.

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I wouldn’t say his playstyle doesn’t benefit the team when he has >70% win rate on his IPM1, if you have him in your team you know your probability of winning is higher even when he is camping, at least base on the point he is cheap for the team to deploy and drain more enemy’s tickets on average, IMO someone like that is more valuable than the one who has 6 kills 3 deaths on average, because that amount of deaths is going to jeopardize the team later one way or another, I have had matches where the top three guys has 3000-ish mission points, but both has a combination of 12 deaths lol it was a long match where hold-W guy turn them into a marathon where it becomes a match to see who spawn more tanks, then we lost because one of them earned a nuke and managed to drop it. If you have two necrons on your team then expect no enemy CAS with loadout that cost 1000sp total, and less likely for them to drop a nuke.

This where the problem begins, you keep talking about his IPM1 stats like they mean something at top Tier, not to mention IPM1 and M1A1’s global performance stats are already really good which just proves my point even more.

He’s just abusing those vehicles (btw he hasnt touched his Abrams for a long time, i checked this before) while compeletly staying away from real top tier, His T-80BVM/90M and M1A2 stats are proof for this.

Again, empty talking.

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‘‘The rest’’ are the M1, IPM1 and M1A1.

These are the best MBT’s at their respective BR’s in the game, I don’t see a reason to complain about their cheeks being vulnerable to APFSDS when they’re so incredibly dominant and lethal.

If the T-series tanks could get their cheeks penned, there’d literally be no reason to ever play them as they’re already worse than their M1 counterparts in the majority of categories.

Fine.

There’s a M1A1 HC in the test drive map.
Go and hop into a tank equipped with 3BM-60 and record some gameplay of you penetrating it’s turret cheeks.

I’ll wait.

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Only if you are not accounting for the fact that IPM1 gets tossed into 11.7 match up like 7 out of 10 times, so it couldn’t be having an easier life than any other 11.7s? Also I just checked again, his BVM and T-90m just rolled out of the dealership am pretty sure still using stock rounds 3BM42, which is a 9.7 ammunition, how is that winning rate and KDR of a stock vehicle mean anything somehow

Also, how do you abuse the vehicle?

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