Are you sure? Is this back in the day before a nerf or something?
I bought the t114
It never ever 1 pops anything! - its that bad its like its in the code that you have to hit the same spot twice to kill…
Either bad luck or skill issue. I keep having 1 shots while playing the ELC BIS and similar HEAT only vehicles. Might just be french HEAT is built different but I doubt it.
It has 10% better power to weight.
It has better top speed and reverse but overall the mobility isn’t that much better.
You play the M36 in the same way as the Super Hellcat.
Against German 5.7-6.7 tanks it hardly makes a difference other that the Super Hellcats much better reverse speed gives it more opportunities.
Its fired at such a slow speed is all iv got.
Side shots, frontal, long range snipes to top of tanks all take 2 shots to.the same place.
Iv only used a few HEAT slingers, the m51 isreal starter tank slapped. The t114… id record to.prove it always takes 2 shots - but im not playing it again.
Then you just need to learn to aim.
Same issue.
Well maybethe shell just sucks then.
Responded in proper thread as to not clutter the current one with offtopic.
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Nah, Having played plenty of both, and just giving the (faster) M36 a quick test range drive, The M36 definitely fairly mobile, but its nowhere near the super hellcat, its not even close, even ignoring the reverse speed differences.
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I dont think it should be THAT low however 5.7 would be nice.
6.0 is just too much for what it is. Even so its still muh playable at 6.0 as light tanks never die.
You want it to be same BR as M4A2 (76)W and lower BR than M4A3 (76)W ?
How can the B end up at same BR as the M36 when it has the bonus of HEAT?
No vehicle with HE-VT should be below 6.0. Or was that a joke?
It’s a sidegrade to the M4A2 at best, and the M4A3 is much better
Its a much worse vehicle, just remove HEAT
Remove HE-VT it shouldnt even exist until 9.3 anyway
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What?
Might not have vertical stabilizer but it has better pen, and much better post-pen-damage than either of the 76 M4s. And it’s turret armor is significantly better as well.
At worst it’s a side-grade to the M4A3 and certainly deserves a higher BR than the M4A2.
I mean, you really want it fighting 4.3 enemies with that 90mm?
What do you mean remove the HEAT?
That’s the major difference. What’s the point of having the B if there’s no HEAT?
Less hp/ton vs some strafing protection and much better pen vs any angled armor. The one step increase in BR is justified.
This is moot. The vehicle has HE-VT, and I don’t see Gaijin removing that any time soon. So there’s no chance it drops to 5.0.
You underestimate how useful a short stop stabiliser is.
An extra ~35mm penetration and an exta 70 grams of explosive mass does not outweigh the benefits of the short stop stabiliser on the M4A2, not to mention the turret is much heavier making it even more unstable than an unstabilised M4A2 would be
Put the M36 up to 7.3!!! Do you really want a 90mm against tigers? I didnt think so!
The heat is useless, only against Tigers and Jagdtigers does it help, not really relevant for the playstyle
Same rotation.
No idea what your hyperbole is trying to accomplish here.
HEAT lets you pen heavy and angled armor much better than APHE of the same caliber. Sure it’s post-pen damage is inconsistent, but … you have to pen to do anything. And even if it can’t one-shot it can cripple the target for a follow-up kill shot.
There’s a reason Gaijin gives tanks with HEAT a higher BR than comparables without it.
And the M4A3E2 Jumbo, and … hmm where should I begin?
Pretty clear he wants that while playing the M4-T26
I said unstable not rotation
You were complaining about the 90mm going up against 4.3s. M36 is at 5.3 already and is a better platform
Yeah if you’re struggling to defeat a Jumbo you have other issues lmao
I dont even play America lol
Heavier gun, heavier turret. How you figure “unstable”?
No it is not. Much weaker armor and can be lol-penned by many enemies at that BR. The “platform” you are so high on is WORSE than the m10 which is found at BR 3.3.
More bouncy/top heavy
No its not it has an electric traverse. Its a fast tank destroyer plus it is more stable of a platform. Even if it was, doesnt change my point, its a 90mm at 5.3
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By what metric?
The M36 is far more mobile than the M10 and has like 10 times the turret traverse speed.
It can already kill any tank it sees but can also do so from advantages positions.
The main difference between it and the M4/T26 is the better survivability and a much stronger hull down game of the later.
So SPAA and planes are much less effective against it.
It being 6.0 is honestly pretty strange as the M4A3s main advantage is it’s mobility combined with the stabilized 76mm. It even puts the T20 at 6.3.
I mean you get Tiger/Panther like penetration on a more mobile platform than a Tiger with respectable turret armor but I don’t see it outperforming a M4A3 or T-34-85.
BR wise it’s simply worse:
The M36 is playes nearly twice as much and probably also used at higher BRs, since mobility and firepower make it more suitable as backup for higher BRs.
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Talking about the chasis = “platform”. M36 actually has less armor than the m10 that it was based on.
Not comparing the m36 turret and gun to the m10.
Gaijin gave M4/T26 a higher BR because of better pen combined with double the explosive mass (“only an extra 70g”) compared to the M4A3.