And the M4A3E2 Jumbo, and … hmm where should I begin?
Pretty clear he wants that while playing the M4-T26
I said unstable not rotation
You were complaining about the 90mm going up against 4.3s. M36 is at 5.3 already and is a better platform
Yeah if you’re struggling to defeat a Jumbo you have other issues lmao
I dont even play America lol
Heavier gun, heavier turret. How you figure “unstable”?
No it is not. Much weaker armor and can be lol-penned by many enemies at that BR. The “platform” you are so high on is WORSE than the m10 which is found at BR 3.3.
More bouncy/top heavy
No its not it has an electric traverse. Its a fast tank destroyer plus it is more stable of a platform. Even if it was, doesnt change my point, its a 90mm at 5.3
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By what metric?
The M36 is far more mobile than the M10 and has like 10 times the turret traverse speed.
It can already kill any tank it sees but can also do so from advantages positions.
The main difference between it and the M4/T26 is the better survivability and a much stronger hull down game of the later.
So SPAA and planes are much less effective against it.
It being 6.0 is honestly pretty strange as the M4A3s main advantage is it’s mobility combined with the stabilized 76mm. It even puts the T20 at 6.3.
I mean you get Tiger/Panther like penetration on a more mobile platform than a Tiger with respectable turret armor but I don’t see it outperforming a M4A3 or T-34-85.
BR wise it’s simply worse:
The M36 is playes nearly twice as much and probably also used at higher BRs, since mobility and firepower make it more suitable as backup for higher BRs.
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Talking about the chasis = “platform”. M36 actually has less armor than the m10 that it was based on.
Not comparing the m36 turret and gun to the m10.
Gaijin gave M4/T26 a higher BR because of better pen combined with double the explosive mass (“only an extra 70g”) compared to the M4A3.
Dont be like that. We were talking about the gun platform which unclude the hull and the turret mount.
The extra pen is nice but doesnt help much. The biggest threat at that BR is the Tiger ii and Jagdtiger, none of which the 90mm deals with any better than the 76. Not to mention the longer reload. The 63g TNT is already enough on the 76 and although the extra 70g is nice, its not enough to overpressure so ehhh it doesnt really kill things more.
No, it should be 6.7 for that HEAT alone. LOL.
Why? Camp OP HEAT-FS?
M56 is 6.7 with high velocity HEAT-FS with massively better mobility on a much smaller platform.
Compared to the M36B which plays like the most squishy medium tank, the M56 is an actual TD/Light-tank.
Unless your shot disables a vehicles, you’re pretty much dead.
Same with the M56 but it’s going to be in a better position or being much more likely to hit with the massively better velocity, so it’s going to be more effective.
And M36B is more protected against small arms with same HEAT-FS and same firing speed, also allowing full turret rotation.
It is basically same as AUBL or any other HEATFS slinger THAT SITS AT 6.7 BUT has better HEATFS (more pen, better ballistics than cockerill cannon) and ability to use APHE and better protection. While being less fast.
The M56 is far more mobile, and it fires a HEAT shell at 1216m/s with 320mm pen compared to the M36B with 853m/s and 305mm pen.
Being vulnerable to small arms doesn’t matter, as any vehicle that can point guns on them is going to kill them, while the M56s superior mobility makes it far less likely to get into such situation.
And much less convenient to use, let alone it is only usable as ambush machine
Ah yes, thats my bad. I forgot that M46 and M47 shoot different HEATs. Tho the difference in pen isnt that big.
It does much as forbids M56 being too close to the enemy or too open position.
And how exactly are you planning on using the M36B at 6.7???
Play it like a M26, ignoring the part where it has no armor to stop neither AP or HE shells?
Still better to have no armor but be much smaller and have better mobility than having no advantage at all.
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Same as ST-A
And keeping in mind that i can lolpen tiger 2
Only if you consider yourself getting on big bushy maps. Otherwise - turret and some protection is better.
5.3 it can be if aphe get removed and by beeing classiefid as a td so no scaut and arty then ok
There are many vehicles that can „lol pen“ tanks. That doesn’t make them any good.
88mm or 100mm APHE is much more effective than having a round that can pen any vehicle but doesn’t kill them with easy side shots.
HEAT requires good aim and good shot placement.
But vehicles on the move and range make either incredibly inconsistent.
You can pen a Tiger II but you can also pen a ST-A2 and not kill it, where APHE would have, even when just a pixel of the tank was exposed.
More shots required means more reloads and more reloads mean being more vulnerable while enemies have time to repair, reload and maneuver around you.
M18 dominates on some maps. On some, especially if enemy team manages to lock down most of the map, it can become extremely painful.
It’s a similar story to Su-100P.
On some maps it can reach great positions or snipe and dodge shots all day long.
But on some maps it becomes fairly bad and vulnerable.
But IMO M18 is overal extremely effective way more often than not. The only thing it truely struggles against is hulldown/long range Tiger, but god damn it, who the hell expects the king of speed to frontally win vs a goddamn heavy tank?
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As every round does in the volumetric world.
90mm extra pennover 76mm actually “helps much” from my experience.
90mm deals with Tigers, IS-2, T-44 and T-34-85 way better. It still fails vs Panther and Jagdpanther glacis.
But with APCR Tiger II is fair game, and rven Jagdtiger short range. It’s actually useful
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