u need to be joking if u believe M-51 has bad armor.
so 7.5secs is long reload compared to the 8.0secs of the Ikv 103?
530m/s vs. 800m/s?
cuestionable.
u mean Panther A, M4/T26, Centurion, ELC bis? yeah ofc, but that doesn’t mean M-51 is bad.
my 12.7mm peacefully annihilating the existance of the Ikv 103 vs. the M-51 tanking anything that isn’t a 37mm Coelian cannon:
It can be frontpenned by a short U.S. 75mm.
Half a second difference. If one is long, the other is too.
Neither are bad, not by a long shot.
Yes, because the M-51 is not bad. It’s not OP either.
aww yes, my Tiger 2’s 12.7mm
Craaaazy how many people cry about the M-51.
Probably the WORST gun handing in the game.
Terrible post pen damage
Can be 1 shot by any tank in the game.
But muh tiger
Ikv 103 can be frontpenned by a .50 cal.
how many 6.3 tanks have a faster reload than 8.0secs?
Ikv 103 is 4.0, the german M55 has a .50 cal at 4.0, u need to be seriously ragebaiting.
Very few have an exact reload between 7.5 and 8.0.
Yes, both have shit armor. Actually, I’d argue M-51 has it worse on the basis of no armor best armor. IKV 103 won’t fuse APHEs, and you will face more APHEs than .50cals at both 4.0 and 6.3.
Welp, guess I gotta play exclusively the M55 every game now just so I have a .50cal to kill one tank, to apparently prove that that one tank is bad . . .
M-51 can tank 37mm AAA cannons, Ikv 103 can’t survive a 7.62mm.
i would even say the 5.56mm of the Puma IFV can kill it.
no. It gets shredded pretty hard by Kugel, Ostwind, and Lizard.
Sweden is a minor nation. Even tanks like the Swedish T-34-85 are rare.
Lots of 1-tappable opentops.
sure buddy…
Japan be like:
ok so now u’re moving the goalpost.
we were talking about what tanks can pen the Ikv 103 and now u, alone, are talking about how ez is for the Ikv 103 to destroy that tanks.
You’re trying to base vehicle performance soley on armor when both have bad armor, completely ignoring how the vehicles perform. It’s just a silly who has the smaller dick competition.
Then why would you make this post? It sounds like you played the vehicle one time, got your ass handed to you, and came to the forums to whine like a baby about it.
Downtiering a vehicle by almost a whole BR because of a skill issue is not “small and insignificant”; if the devs actually listened to people like you, then the game would be unplayable.
M-51 has better armor and a turret, if u destroy the engine of the Ikv 103 it’s cooked, M-51 can return the favor and it has very good turret traverse.
The Ikv is faster. That’s a better advantage than having slightly better armor.
Changing the BR of either will realistically have no effect on performance, aside from facing better or worse players.
The dynamic of pennable by everything, penned by everything will stay exactly the same.
The gun + high pen heat shell are too op for its current BR. Other tanks sporting this gun + shell combo are above BR 7.3. So thats the way to go.
Its a cold war heat shell vs. almost only WW2 tanks. It doesn’t even lose penetration over range (well its HEAT after all), means it will alway pen even WW2 heavies. And ruins WW2 BR long range maps…there are only few of those map types…and all are ruined by this…thing.
The only balanced stat of that tank are its low player numbers. Otherwise it would be crazy.
if u have paper armor and a shell that does almost zero post-pen damage, mobility is useless.
u aren’t a SAV 20.18.42.
You mean like the M-51?
My second most-played tank is the M-51. It can be harsh for inexperienced players, as it’s fairly slow for its class, has little armor, and has rather poor gun handling and lackluster post-penetration damage; however, in the hands of an experienced player, it becomes very potent.
The M-51 excels as a decently armored, quick-firing sniper that doesn’t have to worry about armor values if you know the velocity well. It’s the perfect antithesis to heavily armored targets like the King Tiger and T26E5. It’s not fragile to overpressure like an M36B2, so it doesn’t need to fear rockets, bombs, and HE nearly as much either.
While I do believe the BR of 6.3 was a bit harsh for the vehicle due to its high skill ceiling, I only really used it at 6.7 anyway.
Ikv 103 can be .50cal’ed from any side, M-51 can tank up to 30mm HVAP-T belts even when angled (something i proved, and u prefered to say “wrong it can’t” before checking ingame which is something i did and tested ingame against the 37mm of a Coelian which has the best 37mm).
Ikv 103 has no turret, while M-51 has amazing turret traverse cuz it’s a Sherman.
Ikv 103 can’t do anything if u shoot it’s engine, M-51 has turret.
M-51 has better reload than the Ikv 103 and faces tanks with the almost exact same reload, while Ikv 103 faces tanks that reload WAY faster than it with way deadlier shells.
i’m done with ur inmature behavior giving zero proof of something being as u say while i prove u with images, videos, etc that u’re wrong and u don’t accep it.
say M-51/Ikv 103 is skill-based but that won’t change the fact that M-51 is better in almost all aspects, with many factors that make it outrate the Ikv 103 and many other tanks at the same/higher BR.
so, returning to the main theme of the topic.
no, M-51 is balanced: it has the mobility of a heavy tank, the armor of a light tank and the cannon of a Cold War french tank. there’s many downsides that make it perform bad or well depending on which person uses it.
if u struggle to use it, then idk go watch a tutorial…“how to M-51” like that YTbers that do tutorials about how to play certain vehicles or smth. it’s a GLASS CANNON.
Not to be that guy, but you’re being disingenuous.
It is absolutely vulnerable to four separate 30mm guns firing at its front plate.
In matches, I’ve had even smaller guns find their way in. If you’ve ever played against autocannon API, of which it’s especially blatant on Gepard-esque vehicles, you’d know this is a big problem.
tell me how many times have u aimed for that small weakspot in a M-51 while it was aiming at u with it’s 400mm HEAT that can overpressure u?
it isn’t at all. the fact u can pen small weakspots with a cannon that does zero damage to it doesn’t mean it can go through and kill the tank, u can barely kill 2/3 crew members as much and it would be easier to flank it and pulverize it with less difficulty.
there’s many factors to keep in mind when u’re playing something. the fact u can pen it with smaller guns doesn’t mean u won’t be dead before u can barely do serious damages to the tank.
