M-51 BR Is Not Balanced

5.0 is where the normal m4a1 76 is, wouldnt be fair. M51 is fine where it is, if it is lowered, only the M4A1 hull should be lowered

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I think 1.0 should be good for it, it cant pen anything rn

That’s how it should be, unfortunately all HEAT weapons are like playing roulette, in your case the roulette came out in favor of the enemy.

The tank isn’t for you and going down lower means you will be very domiant making it even unfair for low tier vehicle if you get downtier.

400mm pen is why it’s 6.0, and that’s probably too low to start with (however, I would say 6.7 is the absolute max it could realistically go but it would be fine at 6.3)

There’s also a 4.0 with 400mm pen HEAT.

lmao no. Saying it’s undertiered is even goofier than calling it overtiered.

No it’s not :
105 mm CN105 F1 cannon AMX-30;
105 mm M-51 cannon M-51;
they fire the same round OCC 105 F1, but the AMX-30 fires it at 1000 m/s instead of 800m/s;
the reason the amx -30 is 8.0, compared to the M-51:

  • nearly double the hp/t ratio, 20 > 11.5;
  • 65 kph with reverse gearbox, compared to 38 / 5 kph;
  • 6.7s reload compared to 7.5s;
  • 20mm coax;
  • better traverse (hor) 30 > 24, (vert )5.5 > 4 degrees per second;

the JPN STA-1/2/3, type 61 come close, but are more versatile.
STA-1/2:

  • better depression -10;
  • faster vertical traverse at 6 degrees per second;
  • better hp/t 16.5 compared to 11.5;
  • worse HEAT round at 305mm, but fster at 853m/s;
  • M82 APCBC round for side shots and through obstacles;
  • less hull armour, equal turret;
  • better mobility 45 /17 compared to 38/5;
  • 11 round first stage, also for STA-3

compared to STA-3 / Type 61:

  • even better hp/t 19 compared to 11.5;
  • slightly better mobility 45 / 8 compared to 38/5;
  • -10 depression;
  • same reload and traverse stats;
  • slightly better then STA-1/2 HEAT with 320mm and 1216 m/s;
  • M82 APCBC round;
    STA-3 has 6 second auto loader
    -worse armor;
  • Type 61 has 22 round first stage;

compared to them the M-51 could maybe max go 6.3, but then the STA-1/2 are more mobile, faster and have a better variety of shells to choose from. Also they carry a 50 cal, which only the premium M-51 does. I played mine as a TD not a medium, it’s just to slow to react and the gun takes ages to stabilise.

can you frontally pen any heavy you meet, YES. Can the M-51 be penned by anything at it’s Br range YES, it’s the ultimate glass canon, it’s all the gun.

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Yes, the gun isn’t exact, but its the same round being fired with the same lethality and effictiveness. We are also talking about a 2.0 br jump, so yes, the amx30 has better mobility stats. Thats near universal across every vehicle.

Across every nation 320 pen heat round show up around 6.7 and 400 pen show up around 7.7. The only tanks with 400 pen at 6.7 have significant drawbacks (ontos, type 60). M51 is better than both, by a lot. HEAT’s postpen is determined by the remaining pen effect after penetration, which is why a 400 pen HEAT round is so much more lethal than a 305 or 320 pen.

The STA are the BEST 6.3 tank. Trying to say ‘oh well the sta is better at that br’ isn’t a justification for sitting at the same br considering you have a large pen advantage. The STA also have a pretty significant neutral steering turning issue that makes them unweildy at low speed. i’m amazed the sta 1/2 haven’t gone to 6.7 but its probably due to just the lack of statistics. Japan has been the lowest played nation for a long, long time. The M51 is easily equivalent to the STA 1/2 considering the poor postpen of the 305mm round.