Low Tier HEAT discussion - is this fair?

[Der_Zerkquetscher]

so, elaborate why does no one play it? it’s got the magical ammo that pens anything, anywhere? if heat at that br is such a problem why not use it?

[NshPPSH]

I’m talking about win rate, are you reading? I’m talking about the AVERAGE player

[RycotSS]

@Tact1calPh3n3x

did u even read what i said or are u here just to pick on people?

You have no right to say that considering you ignored my entire message telling you how to use a heavy tank to solve your problems to only focus on me saying that it’s a skill issue lmao

[Mitchverr]

You and half your team, meaning nobody is actually looking to protect the flanks. This is why me, in my M44 or Ratel, can just roll on up your flank and kill you and your buddies all together, because nobody is reading the map.

Pro tip, you shouldnt be sitting stupid far away sniping, tiger 2 is an amazing brawling tank when you angle a little bit, just be careful and peak corners before you move up and use your headphones (I hope, or 7.1 surround sound system) to listen for enemy engine noises, light vehicles engines are artificially loud by gaijin to help stop them surprising people.

When you get a group of tiger 2s moving forward together, covering corners and flanks, they are stupid scary.

[RunaDacino]

Based on the logic that pen = everything, you’d think everyone would be playing british tanks and praise them as the ultimate monsters of the battlefield given they get 190 mm pen at 4.7 and 260 at 5.3

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

@Mitchverr

Pro tip, you shouldnt be sitting stupid far away sniping

Makes it easier to smite them with heat rounds when they sit an age away staying still to maintain their sight line thinking they’re invincible tbch.

[Mitchverr]

Yeah, this is pretty much why they shouldnt be doing it xD (also ofc they are not pressing the objectives, or pushing for map control)

[БЕИ]

@Tact1calPh3n3x

Irrelevant, Heavy tanks should hide away because some vehicle that never existed can cripple them with 1 frontal hit and then finish with the second hit, this is in no way the most realistic game ever (its claimed to be) and its not fair, adding fuel to the fire doesnt solve anything

I’m getting bombed too much to even care about balancing issues with ground vehicles, at least I can counter every vehicle I sees, even my Tiger 2 has better chance vs T-80BVM compare to the stupid CAS that could just come and delete me without having a chance to fight back lol

[Der_Zerkquetscher]

yeah just wait till OP is trying to play the british. I’m playing this game for some time now and no brag the solid shot experience on medium tanks that are slower than kingtigers is definitely up there in bad experiences in this game (looking especially at you, conqueror with 500 mm pen apds but unable to deal with light tanks)

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

I like the solid shot against germany. They almost invariably give you the best lines to fire on, given they angle their tiger and the only saving grace of British solid shot is the high pen that can go through said angle and smite everyone.

Against everyone else, it kinda sucks.

[RycotSS]

The archer clearly needs to move up to 8.0 since it can pen 190mm

[Der_Zerkquetscher]

still takes a lot more getting used to, knowing where to shoot, positioning aka skill than basically anything else i used (maybe apart from the AVRE’s BESH-but even that is worked around if u just go cqc)

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

Ah yea. In that sense, does take a bit more knowledge.

[jspene]

It’s a vehicle combat simulator, not a WW2 simulator.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Tact1calPh3n3x

Now, you might say “well but germany has a rat tank too, the Raketen!”, it does indeed and its basically the same as M56, but here’s the punchline…Raketen is at 8.0

So here’s what happens, a portion of German mains would say “Then Raketen needs to be undertiered!!!”, but here’s the problem with that, this will ONLY encourage more cold war HEAT spam at low tier while most people hate it.

Raketen can fire 18 rockets (much faster ones so aiming is easier) in quick succession before needing to reload. M50 can only fire 6.
There’s a good reason why one is at 8.0 and another 6.7.

@Tact1calPh3n3x

Every vehicle that has HEAT with more than 200mm of pen for a nation that doesn’t even require it, needs to be tiered to 8.0 or higher based on how they perform, so a vehicle like M56 that can spam it’s shells that have 320mm of pen (it can basically pen everything) needs to be at the very least 8.0

That would be all but balanced.

[yjie1028]

Type 61: Sniper? Hold my beer, I gonna snip this guy with HEAT and rangefinder LOL

[Tact1calPh3n3x]

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attacked by cold war vehicles I cant even breath, but its ok cuz is apparently FAIR

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HEAT being unreliable

[Mitchverr]

Maybe just me but I noticed the M56 coming up on your flank immediately, also given the numbers of you on the flag, your position should be more focusing on the left and left-front, where the M56 attacked from, your allies should be focusing the way you looked to cover you. That though requires trust and team mates who are actively looking at the map.

You also dont seem to ping the map like, at all? (again, a critical issue I note American and German teams have is they dont ping the map)

[Tact1calPh3n3x]

i always do and actually i was on top of the leaderboard if i remember correctly, problem was that i knew they were coming from the front and I had my eye touching the screen at the hill and didnt see the little rat on the left

[Mitchverr]

So it isnt that the rat was op then was it, they flanked you and shot you in the side, if they were using their APHE round you would have been 1 shot.