Line-up discussion

Somewhat related to the thread here:

I finally acquired, in my view, the bare minimum vehicles needed for an early cold war, West Germany line-up.


Which are, among 1 mentioned earlier:

Obviously, it is suboptimal - land vehicles sit at 6.0-6.7, whereas helicopter catapults it to 8.7. Lack of SPAA is also an issue, but, I don’t have wiesel unlocked yet. Or gepard.
2nd slot is left for a potential aircraft, but I don’t think I’ll be unlocking a rank 6 plane any time soon:

Heck, I don’t have any tier 5 planes even (2 of vehicles can be used for East Germany line-up, the Mig-15bis and IL-28), yet I supposedly reached it.

But otherwise, what are Your thoughts on line-ups?

Don’t

Alouette at 8.7 means matches between 7.7 and 9.7

At 9.7 the M109G is “good” simply because it’s a HE slinger,you basically refuse to aim for conventional weakspots and you’re a glass cannon

The M41 is literally useless: sure, it has the speed and scouting,but it doesn’t have a UAV.

Moreover:no stab,no LRF,no Thermals and the top shell is a 76mm HEAT-FS,that will be eaten either by ERA (largely present at that BR by almost every nation)or by composite

Finally,even the Jpz 4-5 is useless: no useful gimmicks at that BR and your top shell is a 90mm HEAT-FS,so the aforementioned issues with the M41’s HEAT are the same here.

My advice: remove the Alouette and wait for s proper lineup,and focus on grinding air so that you can have an air support lineup

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The M109G makes a better SPAA than tank destroyer.

Well, now I’m curious to see how it would go in an actual match.

With stock, it is kind of worse.

Heh, so with stock it’s… less then useless? Hahahaha.

Top shell. Hah. I’m positive I wont even be able to spade the vehicle for quite a while. Considering how unreliable the squash head shells are.

I no longer have the time and energy needed for that.
It is more or less fun in the low ranks, but in higher ranks, it is just frustration.
Hundreds of thousands of experience, spread across hundreds of masochism inducing battles…

For me playing germany was fun till BR 6.7. But past that it just pure pain and self hate.

The Wiesel is a pure useless SPAA on this BR with only ~45° vertical angle and no radar aiming support or simular, trying to shoot down planes that can like go mach 1 on this BR.

All german tanks now have cardboard armor, therefore any shot you take will most likely be the last, but you have to aim very precisly to even do any damage, which doesn’t seem fair to me. I didn’t know it would be possible to go broke on silver lions before I started rank V in the german tech tree.
Looking at statistics for example the Leopard 1 only has a Winrate of 40%
Source: https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/germ_leopard_I

I run the the line up and more in sim and it works.

Heat is must before that get HESH it works. But heat is best. The AP rounds are meh.

Gte leo 1 get the M47 and M48, the jaguar is king you remove IS6 and anything that walkis in to your path.
I wish they added the Duster and the got the line up proper with jets and earyl cold war stuff even the aluete. But cant have that we have to fly 262´s and arados… bumer.

I am all for that BW cold war drip. But cant have that.

If that’s the case,and you’re confirming that this lineup is not good,then simply remove the Helicopter and you’ll be very fine

somehow I need on average 2 heat rounds to get a kill and the problem is that the first shot doesn’t do major damage, to disable the enemies so that I can kill it with the second shot.

I don’t think it makes significant difference.
All of the vehicles in the lineup have very thin armor. Anything above (and even sometimes that is enough) 0.5 Cal is enough to send them back to garage.

Shells they have are nothing to brag about. You still would have to hunt for weakspots, whether it is 5.7 or 9.7.
The only metric by it might be more successful is the lower skill of players, but that works both ways.
As for the battles themselves, here’s around half the battles:






Which seems just about average. That last battle was where I managed to get to Alouette, but didn’t manage to do anything in it.
I think I managed to get helicopter Just twice in 11 battles total. One time I got too late to do anything, the other was the last screenshot, where there weren’t many targets remaining to shoot at. Everyone remaining either hid in the city, or behind rocks.
It’s a bit funny, I wanted to actually research the helicopters, as the PvE modes are… a bit abandoned:

But it appears that even here it is not really working.

With the slight difference that at 9.7 you need to shoot another round in order to bypass ERA,and if there’s composite in the way you’re simply useless

The rewards are…not average. If i play a random Ground Arcade Battle at that BR and end up doing 1 kill and 2 assists,i’ll get more RP and SL than you.

As i said,if you play this “just for fun” okay?but if you legitimately think to use this for grinding,just don’t

I shot a IS6 or 7 it was 10 times with heat fs from my M47 wuth no demage on lower front hull. He was above me and nothing! Things tend to be like that somethimes. Thats WT. There should be a pen and dirver removed, but nothing. Infurating. Next game.

Funny that this discussion ended up in The Academy category, but okay.

I finally had an opportunity to get the Alouette into battle, using all 4 of it’s guided missiles (all scored at least a hit (not all direct, but still), but ultimately it was only an assist, and a critical on a plane trying to strafe it, and:


575 points…
insert homelander sigh gif
Yeah, I guess I’ll have to stick with pretty much broken helicopter mode, as at least that one gives worthwhile rewards.