If you are playing top tier then you have at least one player that would spawn SPAA like Pantsir or Tor that prevent such CAS incoming. I would not cry to much in top tier is now more like you lower rankings that you get killed by CAS.
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In mid BR things can be really nasty as AAA is very bad and need to be like 400m from the tank it is trying to protect to be effective
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The low ranking is much more fair than top tier, most of CAS are under AA shot range. without CCIP, drop the bombs or rockets needs lots of experience, and don’t forget there are many SPAAS which doesn’t exist in WWII but are still in low ranking.
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I doubt you play ever BR 7.0-8.3 having dealing with CAS like jets and heli that already have atgm beyond SPAA that below they BR or no radar version.
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More spaa options is the answer, most nations are missing it from 4/5.0 to 7/8.0, you cant be bringing at 5.0 spaa to 7.7 with jets flying around the same what you wouldnt bring a chieftain mk3 to a 10.7 match. yeh there’s situations it works but its woefully outdated. same for the spaa, every nation needs work in area’s. only then you can talk about the cas vs spaa balance.
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Not really as people don’t want to play SPAA they want to play tanks, and then leave if to the more experienced players to fill such a gap (easy mode CAP or debatable SPAA), who are rapidly disappearing it seems.
I find it intriguing as to those having a bad time with their SPAA as to whether they are ALL sensible players or how many are in reality those that will sit at spawn and spray with no thought to the actual tactics required. Those SPAA might get the most head on chances but are then more likely to be obliterated. Just like those using planes in a slap dash manner (rushing spawned SPAA that are aware of them or revenge bombing or lawn darting). And guess what, just like playing a tank in a blind manner (not regarding planes but tank on tank, because players seem to do it wrong A LOT).
Not talking highest tiers as that is a thin slice of the game where they foolishly slapped on modern equipment in a game that was not designed for it, hence more inconsistencies, but people love it and moan anyway even though it is all glaringly obvious.
Players overall have worsened, focusing on the more selfish aspects of the game when that is not the only way to approach this game; it is an attitude AND a choice.
And again, it only takes 1 player to counter CAS sub-7.0ish BRs, just ONE (CAP, not SPAA as they can get swamped once they give away their location). But people do not want to so here we are.
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Might be more down to with head on’s you get a target destroyed icon pop up they the plane is still able to drop bombs and fire its guns something the spaa player cannot do which is stupid imo. Might be that players dont spawn spaa because most are open top, have a slow slew rate to keep up with aircraft and forced to play at the wrong BR, France just got a long awaited (SPAA) ohh wait its an ifv with no armour and cant look up… spaa players are basically told to get on with it… meanwhile there’s 5 cas aircraft in the air …GREAT. if you think one player can counter cas in 7.0 your dreaming.
That is nothing that a single clean jet fighter per team can’t solve.
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They removed that after Gaijin finally listened to us on that. Though their notes focused on air modes even if the change was really needed for GF. Also I am talking those using cannon on open tops (most SPAA).
But no, I see the majority of matches inexperienced players pull out SPAA on spawn and wildly fire at specks in the sky. And since Target Destroyed has changed it is no excuse now. I will not excuse those playing with no thought (regardless of vehicle, as I mentioned above).
I am gaining this opinion from those stating the very thing in the forum: players want to play tanks, not SPAA or Planes.
Well, since I do it I am not sure where you are coming from. It id ridiculously easy especially since many “pilots” are too used to no counter due to a poor playerbase.
But since it is down to the very few thoughtful players and this has gone on for years I moved on.
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Yep… or two maybe… out of sixteen players! SIXTEEN!!! Who can land and help their team, I do miss the thoughtful players.
Oh, and I do personally think the idea to have more SPAA is a good one regardless. In case that came across as purely negative.
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Care to post your spaa stats then? I would like to see how you take on 5 aircraft singlehandedly.
The stats of SPAAs are unreliable for many reasons.
- The don’t fight only air but has to fight the ground too.
- People tend to use playes not proper for the B.R.
- Many more things.
Why are spaa stats unreliable, it’l literally tells you how many aircraft you’ve shot down, all I’m trying to determine if it’s someone talking s**t or someone who has genuinely shot down 100+ aircraft.
And what that will tell You really? You can get a kill when someone just crashes into a ground after You got a ‘hit’
Right but you was skilled enough to hit them and you was actually playing spaa, i don’t think people who are not actually playing spaa should give and opinion on their performance is all im saying. Hence why i said post your stats so you can prove how good you say u are.
I said planes, twice.
Right and asking you to prove that you counter cas with spaa. Its fine, if you only play aircraft whatever, but my points was around Spaa being the counter.
Welcome to WT, I am not sure what stats will tell you as, you know, this is WT.
Why would I counter with SPAA when using CAP is 100x easier (for me)? Which is a valid option for any player.
Though one of my last matches was 3-4 with the SUB I II and 1 or maybe 2 with the A7M2, no ground kills, in a 6.0 lineup and we won.
Since I do not use SPAA as SPAA nor try hard stats going the stat route is rather meaningless.
However, CAS shot down by CAP makes CAS neutered. It is something you learn very early on so surprises me so many now haven’t got there yet. It is a team effort so maybe teams need to improve. SPAA gaps filled will help but those unwilling to think appear to increase in numbers. This is not AB where a seperate line can be avoided, again learnt on day 1.
I am unsure how I only play aircraft when I have spaded almost every vehicle in every nation bar Israel up to 7.0ish and have many more plays in ground vehicles than planes, even though I later gave ARB a good go too. I am not sure what you are insinuating when it is obviously false.
You seem to have not understood our exchange so I bid you farewell and best of luck.
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No, I clearly said I use CAP and pointed it to be a very valid option because it works. I did put it there but you missed it, so that clears up that “mystery”.
And the worse thing is players thinking limiting planes will benefit forgetting this limit could then stop a valid CAP use to stop enemy CAS, especially if those players up first are donuts and the enemy’s are not.
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